Subtitles too complex error - in PAL subtitles only

I have a project that is going to be authored in both PAL and NTSC. It has subtitles in six languages.
On the NTSC one, everything burns fine.
On the PAL one, I get an error when burning saying "subtitle or menu subpicture too complex."
We have the same subtitle scripts being used in both, and the menus are the same beside the difference in dimensions (I think there is probably some slight movement of button position). The dimensions for the subtitle cells entered in the PAL version are actually slightly smaller in height, but the same width as the NTSC.
NTSC, I have the dimensions of the subtitle boxes set to:
92 628
325 445
PAL:
112 608
450 525
I am in the process of narrowing down which subtitle tracks are causing the errors, but does anyone have any insight into why this would happen only in the PAL version when both are using the same subtitle scripts?

sorry - two things I forgot to mention: CS4 and Mac OS 10.5.8

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