Surround panning controlled by usb-joystick

hi,
is anyone using a simple usb-joystick for controlling the surround panning?
i'd like to have a quick approach to surround-panning (for experimental-multichannel-music and other weird stuff) without using the mouse or trackpad.
thanks for any help.
christian

Try using JunXion, by Steim.
This software transforms non-MIDI controllers of your choice, into MIDI controllers, with the ability to designate what MIDI CC is controlled by what button/joystick/etc...
I use it to make things that do not output MIDI info normally, to transform their output inot MIDI CC of any kind, in order to do wild things.
I use a X-Box-style controller that has not one, but TWO joysticks! A Belkin something-or-other... and also I have an older usb joystick that I can use for panning. It is very cool, especially in surround!!!
Lots'o'fun.
Cheers

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Hi there,
is it possible to control the surround-panners in logic Pro7 with USB-joystick, e.g. Logitech? What kind of system preferences do I have to change within Logic Pro to use this joystick?
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well, i bought a logitech extreme 3D usb joystick and the steim junxion software.
junxion is transforming usb joystick messages in midi controls: that works very well and in a very easy way with all controllers, except with ..... the surround pan !
it seems impossible to send x and y messages to the surround pan in Logic, as when learning the midi controller assignation , the surround pan in logic only reacts as angle and diversity controls, but the logic pro 7.1 update infos do mention that surround joysticks do work well...
apple support does not accept to answer my question, as i bought logic more than six months now, (i think its a pity that apple bought logic , for this problem of support)
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I thought I posted this already, but I'm not seeing it.
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Hi.
OK,now I understand the question.
You want rubber band parameters in values of X and Y so you can draw in the angle and surround diversion(radius),by referencing X and Y values.Ok.
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USB Joystick のホットプラグについて

USB　Joystick をホットプラグしたいのですが、USB　Joystickを接続しない状態でQuery Input Deviceを実行するVIを起動・実行し、そのあとで
USB JoystickをUSBポートに接続してデバイスをOSに認識させた後、再度同じVIを実行しても、接続したJoystickを認識しません。
いったんVIを閉じてから、再度同じVIを開いて実行すると、接続したJoystickの情報が返ってきます。
LabView2011を使用していますが、Query Input Devices,　やInitialize Joystickなどは、VIをロードしたときのUSBデバイスの情報しか使えないのでしょうか？
Windows7　SP1やWindow8のRemoteDesktopで、USBリダイレクトができるようになったので、ローカルのJoystickでリモートコンピュータのVIをコントロールできる
ようになったのは良いのですが、VIを再ロードしないとリダイレクトしたUSBデバイスを認識してくれないようで、困っています。
これがLabViewの仕様なのでしょうか？
どなたかご存じありませんでしょうか？
添付:
joystick-test.vi ‏10 KB

NI技術部　稲毛です。
こちらでも状況を確認しました。
KatsuTaka 様のご確認の通り、 Query Input Devices,　やInitialize Joystickなどは、VIをロードしたときのUSBデバイスの情報しか使えないようです。
USBデジタルマルチメータなどは、(別の関数を使用しますが)問題なく認識されましたので、
Query Input Devices,　やInitialize Joystick関数　の問題かと思われます。
解決方法になるか分かりませんが、 KatsuTaka 様作成の｢joystick-test.vi｣をサブVIとし、
プログラム実行中に動的に｢サブVIを開く｣→｢サブVIを実行｣→｢サブVIを閉じる｣を行うことにより、
メインVIを開いたまま、ホットプラグさせたJoystickを認識させることができました。
VIを添付しますので、参考に見ていただけますでしょうか。
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添付:
main_test.vi ‏13 KB
joystick-test.vi ‏10 KB

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default:CARD=default
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front:CARD=default,DEV=0
PnP Audio Device , USB Audio
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surround40:CARD=default,DEV=0
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surround41:CARD=default,DEV=0
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surround50:CARD=default,DEV=0
PnP Audio Device , USB Audio
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surround51:CARD=default,DEV=0
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surround71:CARD=default,DEV=0
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comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
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comment.range '0 - 8065'
comment.dbmin -2400
comment.dbmax -2400
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name 'Mic Playback Volume'
value.0 6144
value.1 6144
control.3 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
name 'CD Playback Switch'
value true
control.4 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 8065'
comment.dbmin -2400
comment.dbmax -2400
iface MIXER
name 'CD Playback Volume'
value.0 5575
value.1 5575
control.5 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
name 'Speaker Playback Switch'
value false
control.6 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 8065'
comment.dbmin -2400
comment.dbmax -2400
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comment.dbmax -147
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value.1 196
value.2 196
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value.4 196
value.5 196
value.6 196
value.7 196
control.9 {
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comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
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comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 6928'
comment.dbmin -1600
comment.dbmax -1600
iface MIXER
name 'Mic Capture Volume'
value.0 4096
value.1 4096
control.11 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Capture Switch'
value true
control.12 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 6928'
comment.dbmin -1600
comment.dbmax -1600
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Capture Volume'
value.0 4096
value.1 4096
control.13 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
name 'CD Capture Switch'
value true
control.14 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 6928'
comment.dbmin -1600
comment.dbmax -1600
iface MIXER
name 'CD Capture Volume'
value.0 0
value.1 0
control.15 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type BOOLEAN
comment.count 1
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Capture Switch'
index 1
value true
control.16 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type INTEGER
comment.count 2
comment.range '0 - 6928'
comment.dbmin -1600
comment.dbmax -1600
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Capture Volume'
index 1
value.0 4096
value.1 4096
control.17 {
comment.access 'read write'
comment.type ENUMERATED
comment.count 1
comment.item.0 Mic
comment.item.1 Mixer
comment.item.2 'CD '
comment.item.3 'Input 3'
iface MIXER
name 'PCM Capture Source'
value Mic
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Some other observations that may be helpful (and, hopefully, get closer to the heart of the problem)...
(1) Whenever VLC is playing audio (as mentioned in previous post, it is only application that works in desired manner), it will show up in Kmix's "Playback Streams" tab. Whenever Wine and Firefox are playing, they do NOT show up in the "Playback Streams" tab.
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