Switching between RAW & Jpeg

I have searched the forum, but unable to find a step-by-step procedure that I can understand.
I have imported my pix (Raw+Jpeg Pairs) both as masters. They both show as one project, but I cannot find out how to have each show as a separate project (and other than going to Metadata, there is now way of telling which is which). Ultimately, I will delete the Jpegs but for now, I would prefer to have both.
Help please.

This is an option that needs to be added eventually, but for now, your best bet is, upon import, to select list view, then click on either the File Type column or the File Size column. That will separate jpegs from RAW, or at least group them separately. Then you can easily select all the RAW (uncheck all, click the first, shift-click the last, then do an import; repeat for the jpegs). Not smooth or elegant but it will work. I think the "auto split projects" option should do this all for you, but alas, not.
Hope this helps. Let me know if you need any clarification.
Rob

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"Error while relocating" after deleting RAW from RAW+JPEG pairs (Important FYI)

This is not a question, but something I recently discovered that I think will be important for the Aperture community.
Not too long ago, I asked a question about how to remove the RAW files from RAW+JPEG pairs. The concensus was that it couldn't be done through Aperture, but that one could delete them through the Finder. The answer I got (and that has popped up in other threads on similar topics) was "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect." I don't think any response along these lines has been able to point to a specific problem that can arise from such a "hack." Well, I found one today...
It appears that if a user uses Finder to "break" RAW+JPEG pairs by deleting the RAW file and leaving the JPEG (and I assume this goes for deleting the reverse), Aperture will NOT be able to "Relocate Originals..." Instead, "Aperture will return the error: Error while relocating (File not Found): "(null)". I ran into this error the other day while trying to change my file structure by relocating all files. I regularly ran into this error, and it was only after some extensive that I was able to narrow it down 100% of the time to the RAW+JPEG pairs I had "broken." I haven't encounterd any other adverse behavior from "breaking" these file pairings, but this one, at least, could be serious.
So, for future reference, I think the response by the Aperture community when someone asks "How do I delete the RAW file from RAW+JPEG" pairs, should be "Use Finder if you must, but please note Aperture will not be able to 'Relocate Originals..
PS This should NOT be understood as a criticism of those who have responded to this question in the past. There's obviously no way to know about these little quirks until one of us stumbles across them. I hope this information will be helpful going forward, both as a caution when deleting one of the pair, and as a possible answer for the "Error while relocating" message.
PPS I don't think I ran across an explanation for this when I originally searched for the error message bolded above.
If someone has already provided this information, my apologies.

Frank Caggiano wrote:
Interesting the last post before this one you posted was back in May 2011 Removing RAW, keeping JPG?
Thanks for that thread. That helps jog ye olde memory. As such, I would edit my original thread to read "The concensus I gathered from researching multiple responses to questions similar to mine was that it couldn't be done through Aperture*, but that it was possible from Finder though highly inadvisable." I won't bother recreating my research at the time (not even sure I could, since it was more than two years ago), but suffice it to say that the thread you've linked was not my sole encounter with this problem. I do appreciate that you've reminded me that this was not something I had done solely through numerous posts on Apple Discussions. I imagine I likely spent time reading multiple posts here and elsewhere, uncovering the concensus (which i think is still a fair term) that it could not be done through Aperture*, could be through Finder, but was inadvisable.
*This is still accurate, afaik. You cannot delete the pair from a RAW+JPEG pair in Aperture. Exporting, then deleting in Finder, then reimporting is still not something "done in [entirely] Aperture."
Frank Caggiano wrote:
No one actually told you to delete anyting in in the Finder you came up with this yourself as your own solution
This comes from the critical mistake on my part of not making clear that I was paraphrasing multiple responses rather than saying "Bob told on a Monday that i should..." That is one huge mea culpa and I'd edit it if I could. To be clear, my comment that "it's probably not wise, but as far as I know, it won't have an adverse effect" is a paraphrase of multiple answers to the broad question dealing with how Aperture handles files that have been deleted in Finder. At the time, it was known that you could delete a file in Finder, that Aperture could be made to accept that, that it might cause issues further down the road, but that those issues were unkown. I paraphrased that but failed to make it clear that's what I was doing. Again, my apologies.
Frank Caggiano wrote:
So I'm not really sure what it is you are coming back here now to say? There was no 'consensus' to do this, it was your own 'solution'
In this respect, I think you've misunderstood me. At the time I made this post, I still was not seeing a direct connection between deleting files in Finder and adverse consequences in Aperture (or perhaps I should say my searches did not turn up such a connection). As such, I made this post to provide the community with clear evidence of why one should not delete one-of-a-pair files in Finder. Again, I may have simply missed the thread that detailed that to do so would result in a null error when relocating Masters. That said, in July 2013 I had been pulling my hair out trying to figure out why I was getting the null error and I did not see a thread that asked "have you deleted files in Finder" as a way to troubleshoot.
Hopefully, I've cleared up any confusion now. To bring this all back around to my original point for the thread, I intended it to (1) offer a more direct way to troubleshoot the null error on relocating Masters, and (2) to offer a cautionary tale for those who choose to delete one of the RAW+JPEG pair in Finder. There are better (though more time- and space-consuming) ways to get it done, and my original post should help demonstrate why.

Import of RAW+JPEG pairs?

Just when I thought I had it all together...I seem to have forgotten where I put it. I need some expert assistance.
Aperture manages my Library which is kept on an external HD.
I shoot RAW+JPEG on my D200--two image files for every shot. To anticipate the question--I'm learning about the D200, and I want to be able to see the IQ differences between an Aperture-adjusted RAW image and a D200-adjusted jpeg.
I understood that when I imported my image files into Aperture, both files of the pair were imported and saved in my Library. I know I was working with the RAW file for all my adjustments and exports, but I believed that if I wanted that camera-adjusted jpeg, it was available from my Library. I'd also understood that I could call up that camera-adjusted jpeg using Option+J while selecting the paired RAW image in the Viewer. I know I can get a jpeg counterpart to the highlighted RAW image using Option+J--but whether it is generated by Aperture or camera is now uncertain.
Can someone who knows answer the following:
(1) Are both images in the shot pair (.nef and .jpg) imported into Aperture?
(2) If the Option+J image is not the downloaded, camera-produced image--then where does the resulting jpeg file which appears come from, and where are the adjustments for it set?
(3) If my original understanding is correct and both images in the pair were loaded into my Library--why can't I find the paired jpeg? It's not listed with the RAW files in my Finder, and my Spotlight doesn't find it either.
(4) Is there a way to get that paired jpeg into my Library along with its RAW counterpart.
One note on backup workflow: If those paired jpegs aren't imported into the Library, I'm fortunate to have followed advice from some of you here in the forum. Thanks to you, I always download my files using a reader and save them to a folder on my desktop. After importing them into Aperture from that folder, I move them to a folder I use to accumulate a batch for burning to a DVD for archiving. Only when burnt, do I erase them from the desktop and reformat my card. If, in fact, I've been wrong about those paired jpegs being in my Library, then I've still got them on my DVDs. Instead of being redundant with my Vaults, the DVDs will be my only source for them. Thanks to those of you who got me to buy into that workflow.
Terry

Thanks. A little Tough Love from the experts sent me back to try one more time to puzzle through the pages of posts on this subject. Sorry, but there's too much noise and contradiction in those pages of posts for me to buy in.
I did what each of us probably should do--an experiment. I noted the "New Version from Master JPEG" aka Option+J was grayed out if only one of the pair (either .nef or .jpg) was imported. Only having the pair imported activated thet Option+J pick. Excellent, and just what I hoped to see.
I also drilled down to the lowest level of the imported image folders in the Library. I'd previously stopped when I saw the image name but for some reason neglected to open the lowest folder to check for file extensions. Careless on my part. I confirmed what everyone here is regularly assured--that all the imported image files are available in the Library (and Vaults) should Aperture fail, or someone decide to leave Aperture for the dark side. Again, just what I hoped to see.

RAW, JPEG,camera rendering and profiles

I am an amateur photographer and extensively use many Adobe products including Lightroom 2.4 and Photoshop CS4. Several years ago I made a decision to shoot all my pictures in Raw and use Lightroom to convert to JPEG’s. I started converting them all to DNG’s at one point but finally didn’t see much benefit to that. I appreciate the flexibility and adjustability available with a RAW file format. Up until now I thought that was a good decision. Recently after reading many articles I decided to change to Adobe RGB instead of my Canon 30D’s default format of sRGB. I also changed to recording all images in both Raw and JPEG format at least temporarily to see how it might affect my workflow. I imported both files into Lightroom and was very surprised to see the difference between the RAW image and JPEG image. The raw image was in my opinion dull and unappealing. The JPEG image was vibrant, brighter and definitely more appealing to my eye. Curious, I got online and started reading all the articles, tech notes and Blogs about the difference between RAW and JPEG and to quote one article “Lightroom will not match your cameras rendering when working with raw files as it’s just raw data, but you can use the new profiles to emulate the manufacturer’s look for some cameras, or you can build your own profile to match.” I tried several experiments on my Canon going back to sRGB to see it didn’t make any difference. I tried all the standard Lightroom camera profiles and none of them matched the JPEG image. After working for about 15 minutes I was finally able to get the raw image to closely match the JPEG image but it has me thinking. Do I really want to spend the time on ALL my raw images to match the JPEG image? I understand I can create custom profiles but from want I read every image will be different based on the white balance, color tones etc. What really puzzled me is that when I compare my raw and JPEG images using other image viewers the images are identical??? This includes a Canon application (I can understand that) but also a third party application such as FastStone Image Viewer which will read Canon Raw files. The images are identical. This should not be this difficult! How can FastStone interpret Canon raw files better that Adobe? Is it really true that the camera rendering is not imbedded in Canon’s own raw file format? I really don’t what to have to record all images in raw and JPEG and have to deal and store duplicate files for the rare time the raw format gives me better adjustability that JPEG. I appreciate any and all thoughts on this subject.

Again thanks for your help on this. I want to understand it.
I took two new pictures. The camera was set to record both RAW and JPEG maximum quality. House with reddish bricks, flowers in front, green grass and trees and blue skies with clouds. Pretty standard stuff. On the first set the camera was set on standard picture style. The second was set on faithful. I reset many of the Lightroom defaults. The ones that I though mattered.
There is still differences easily distinguishable between the raw files and JPEG files. Take a look at the 4 histograms:
Raw file standard style.
JPEG Standard style:
Raw Faithful style:
JPEG Faithful style:
Any thoughts?

Need more information regarding RAW JPEG pairs

I understand the importing of RAW+JPEG pair options. What I am having difficulty finding in any forum or user manual is the workflow using such pairs after the import.
If I import a R+J pair with RAW as original, there is an "R" icon in the viewer on that photo. Is the image displayed (version 1) Aperture's rendering of the RAW file? Or is it the JPEG that goes along with it? If I wanted to compare the JPEG to the RAW, how would I do that? If I created a new version from the original and then compared version 1 and version 2, what would I be looking at?

My first question is why are you using a Raw&JPG pair workflow? In my experience it is very rarely needed and adds a lot of complexity to the setup.
Now to answer your questions:
The image displayed in the viewer is always a full resolution interpretation of the current master. If the raw file is the master then the image is based on it. If the JPG is master then the image in the viewer is based on it.
There is no direct way to compare one master to the other master. Only one master can be viewed at a time. However versions made off of one of the masters will always be made off that master.
So if the Raw is the current master and you create a version from it that version is based on the Raw master. Now if you select the JPG to be current master a version is made off of it and the other version you created is still based on the Raw master.
You can prove this to yourself by looking at the filename of each. When you select the version made from the Raw the filename extension will show the Raw extension for your camera. When you select the JPG the filename extension will end in jpg.
So now on to how to compare the images side by side:
For whichever type is the current master select it and do a Photos->New Version from Master. Remember a version made from a master, before any adjustments are made to the version, will be identical to the master.
Now switch masters. A version is created from this master and again as no adjustments were applied to it will look exactly like the master.
These two images are then the Raw and the JPG side-by-side.

Bug: RAW+JPEG Pairs import setting affects movie imports

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I want to exclude JPEG duplicates during import, but if I set RAW+JPEG Pairs to "RAW files only", then movie files are not imported. The only way I can get movie files imported is to import both RAW and JPEG. Is there a workaround for this bug?

Import the stills and movies separately and change the setting between imports.
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Develop settings when importing RAW + jpeg

When importing NEF files from my D700 I apply the landscape sharpening pre-set and am happy with the results. However on my Fuji X20 I import RAW+jpeg rather than just RAW, in this situation if I use the landscape sharpening pre-set sharpening is applied to the jpeg as well as the RAW resulting in the already sharpened in camera jpeg being grossly over sharpened. If on the other hand I use none for the develop pr-set no sharpening or noise reduction is applied to the jpeg and a minimum amount applied to the RAW file, more or less what I want except I want the higher landscape sharpening applied to the RAW files. Is there anyway to modify the built in pre-sets so that they only get applied to the RAW files when importing RAW+jpeg pairs?
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I believe the answer is No, you cannot apply a preset at Import time based on file type.
What you can do is after you import, filter on File Type and set it to JPG and apply another preset that changes the sharpening settings of the filtered set of files, then go back and turn off the filter and work with both sets of images as you want.
To filter by File Type, you need to go to Library Grid, enable the filter bar with the backslash \ key if necessary, then select Metadata, and either change one of the existing filter columns to say File Type or add a new File Type column.
Once you have created and applied the filter, you can save it as a filter preset that can be applied by the filter preset selector at the very right and just above the thumbnail strip at the bottom, even in Develop mode.
You might make one for raw and for jpg in case you want to swap between the two, and if you shoot JPGs with more than one camera model, you can add the camera model to the filter criteria.

Working with RAW+JPEG

I have a Lumix GX-7, and I always shoot with RAW+JPEG. Previously when I was importing photos with Aperture, I have the option of choosing only to import RAW. Having JPEG during the shoot allow me to quickly share (via camera wifi) my photos to my iPhone Photo library using the Panasonic Image App on my iPhone.
If use the Import interface to look at my SD card, I see only 1 copy, and there's an icon with two boxes, the one in front has a "J". Just from guessing that this is probably both the RAW and the JPEG stacked together. When I import those photos, the "J" box icon shows up in my Photos app.
Question:
Do you know how to access my RAW file? I can only seem to access the JPEG file.
Can anyone confirm that Photos is indeed importing both versions of RAW and JPEG?
Note: I do not choose to keep a copy locally on my Mac. My Macbook Air is always running out of space.
Hope someone can help. Thank you.

Question:
Do you know how to access my RAW file? I can only seem to access the JPEG file.
Can anyone confirm that Photos is indeed importing both versions of RAW and JPEG?
Yes, Photos is importing the pair.
You can toggle between the RAW and the JPEG, when you go to the "Edit" view of a photo. Then the "Use RAW as Original" will become active.
Also see the Photos Help:
Reprocess imported RAW files
If you import RAW files that were already processed by another app, such as Aperture, the RAW processing of the photos might be out of date. If you’re happy with how a RAW photo looks, you can leave it as is, or you can choose to reprocess the RAW file with the most recent version of Apple’s RAW processing software. Note that your photos may look different after reprocessing, and you cannot undo this change.
Double-click a photo to open it, click Edit in the toolbar, then choose Image > Reprocess RAW.

Cant open raw+jpeg

Hi- have a Canon 50D and went to download to Macbook and now the files show .igy in front of image numbers- get message saying cant open them- this is all the info I have as a friend was using the camera and there not sure what they did to it- any help would be appreciated
-Tommy

Are you sure images are showing "igy" in front of the file number?
They should show IMGxxxx.JPG or IMGxxxx.CR2 (if the camera is set to use sRGB color space)
or
_MGxxxx.JPG and _IMGxxxx.CR2 (if the camera is set to use Adobe RGB color space).
When shooting RAW + JPEG, you should see one of each for every file number.
In all cases the "xxxx" would be the sequential file number between 0001 and 9999.
50D cannot shoot video, so there are no types of video files possible.
There is no way to prevent 50D from using these file number conventions. In other words, nothing can be changed in the camera by the user... except the choice of sRGB or Adobe RGB color space, which determine whether an "I" or an underscore are used at the beginning of the file name.
If the file name is showing something different, that change must be happening when you are importing the images from the memory card to your computer. What method do you use? Is it set to rename the files during import? (I just use a drag and drop to copy or move the files from the folder on the memory card to a folder on the computer that I've prepared in advance... In other words, I don't use any software-based import.)
If the file extension has been changed accidentally, you should be able to edit it and change it back. Don't mix up the .CR2 and .JPG though. The CR2 files will always be the much larger of the two.
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"Walk softly and carry a big lens."
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Unpairing RAW + JPEG image pairs

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I shoot in RAW + JPEG, and import my images in Aperture 3 as RAW + JPEG images pairs. Both files are treated as a single master, which keeps things tidy. However, in order to save space, I'd only like to keep the high quality RAW files for my pictures.
Is there any way to "unpair" these RAW + JPEG image pairs, or is my only option to initially import as separate masters?

Thanks gocuk2. I'am sure to have pairs because I asked A3 for it and... I can switch to jpg or Raw as original. There is also a badge that tells me which is the original (R or J).
About Apple dev, I meant that as Cupertino also targets the iPhoto's users when it comunicates about Aperture, it would have seem natural for me that some of the user friendly features of iPhoto could be found in Aperture. I know also that this forum or others forum which I participate too is populated with people who help. Actually, I would say that Aperture is developed by the same staff that develops Logic or Final Cut

PSE5 - Stacking RAW / JPEG Files

With my Nikon D80, I am starting to shoot a lot assignments using the combination of RAW + JPEG files.
I am using the auto-staking feature of PSE5 when adding files and folders, with the expectation that it would quickly stack the RAW+JPEG combinations into a single stack for each pair.
Instead, I'm getting a frustratingly wide range of results. In some cases, the RAW and JPEGs are not stacked, and the stack has to be manually created.
In other instances, I'll get 2, 4, or 3 pairs of photos in a single stack and have to divide them with the little scissors tool. These combinations are not necessarily rapid exposures. I haven't been using the multiple exposure setting on the D80.
All in all, this is adding to my workflow instead of expediting it. Is there not some way to set parameters to establish how auto-stacks are determined?
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Hi Paul,
the automatic stacking feature finds similar pictures. Most of the time it works well for RAW/JPG files but sometimes (e.g. sunset pictures with a bad automatic white balance assumption for the RAW) it won't find the pairs. You then have to do it manually as you have described it.
In the stacking window you can drag your preferred file to the first position for being the top picture. After creating the stacks you can change the top picture by opening the stack, right clicking on your preferred picture and choosing "Make top picture" (or similar, I have the german version, so I don't know the english menu text) in the stacking sub menu.
I had the same problem and know I decided to move all JPGs to an unmanaged folder, so I won't see all my images doubled and I can stack only those images that I want to stack.
Michael

RAW+JPEG Import Question

I switched from Windows/LR to Mac/Aperture last year and have a question about importing RAW and JPEG files.
My camera (Olympus EM5) finally has RAW support and I have been shooting RAW+JPEG. I got a preset that I like to apply to the RAW files during the import. But I don't want the preset applied to the JPEG files. What I have been doing is importing the RAW and JPEG separately.
Is there a way to import them all together and have the preset only applied to the RAW files on import? Thanks.

What import settings have you tried? What configuration do you want the library to have (Both RAW + JPGs as separate masters or only one of them as master?).
If you want the RAW as master try importing as Both (RAW as master) to see if the preset is only applied to the RAW.
If you want both as masters, that is you're importing Both (Separate masters) then I don;t believe it will be possible to restrict the preset to just the RAWs on import. But instead of importing the images in two separate batches it might be easier to import both and to apply the preset after import using Metadata->Batch Change. It would be easy to filter just the RAW images to apply the preset to.

Raw JPEG worth the space?

I'm just switching from JPEG to RAW format for my Canon EOS T3. I'm also fairly new to Aperture. There doesn't seem to be any problem importing the Raw files from my camera.
For my first test, I set my camera to Raw + JPEG. This mostly looks like a nuisance, since it wastes space and time. And I have to look at every image twice. So it's a brain waste too. :-)
But is there any value to keeping the JPEGS?

For my first test, I set my camera to Raw + JPEG. This mostly looks like a nuisance, since it wastes space and time. And I have to look at every image twice. So it's a brain waste too. :-)
But is there any value to keeping the JPEGS?
First of all, if you already imported RAW & JPEG pairs, the question is moot, since there is no safe way to remove the JPEGs from the pair other than exporting the RAW riginals, then deleting the pair, and reimporting the RAW original file - a lot of work.
RAW & JPEG pairs are useful, if you are satisfied by the raw developement done in your camera and are happy with most of the JPEGs, but want to keep the RAW originals just in case there are a few JPEGS that you rather would like to adjust directly from the RAW in Aperture.
In that case the best strategy would be to import the JPEGs first, identify the images where you rather would use the RAW files, and then import the raw for hese images only.
But if you want to develope all images directly from the RAW yourself, then the JPEGs are really redundant.

7344 servo motion switching between open and closed loop operation

I have a custom end-of-line test system presently using a 4-axis 7344 servo controller to perform various functional tests on small, brushed DC motors. The system is programmed in C/C++ and uses flex motion functions to control the motor during testing. Motors are coupled to external encoder feedback and third party PWM drives running in closed-loop torque mode from an analog command signal. The system uses all four motion axis channels on the 7344 board to independently and asynchronously test up to four production motors at a time.
In closed-loop mode, the system runs without issue, satisfying the battery of testing protocols executed by this system. I now have a request to add additional test functionality to the system. This testing must be run in open loop mode. Specifically, I need to use my +/- 10v analog output command to my torque drive to send different DAC output levels to the connected motor.drive while monitoring response.
I do not believe the flex motion library or 7344 controller includes functions to easily switch between open and closed loop mode without sending a new drive configuration. I am also under the impression that I cannot reconfigure one (or more) servo controller axis channels without disabling the entire drive. As my system runs each axis channel in an asynchronous manner, any requirement to shutdown all drives each time I change modes is an unworkable solution.
I am open to all ideas that will allow asynchronous operation of my 4 motor testing stations. If the only solution is to add a second 7344 controller and mechanical relays to switch the drive and motor wiring between two separately configured servo channels, so be it. I just want to explore any available avenue before I place a price tag on this new system requirement.
Bob

Jochen,
Thank you for the quick response. The 7344 board does an excellent job running my manufacturing motor assemblies through a custom end-of-line tester in closed loop mode. A portion of the performance history and test result couples the motor through a mechanical load and external shaft. The shaft is in contact with a linear encoder that closes my servo loop.
My new manufacturing requirement is to also sample/document how the small DC motor behaves in open loop operation. Your solution is exactly what I need to perform the additional functional tests on the product I am manufacturing. I see no reason why this cannot work. I was originally concerned that I would need to reinitialize the 7344 board after changing axis configuration. Initialization is a global event and impacts all four channels on the 7344 board.
Using flex_config_axis() to change axis configuration on a single channel without disturbing other potentially running axis channels will solve my concern. It will be several weeks before I can return to the manufacturing facility where the 7344-based testing machine is located. I will update this thread once I verify a successful result.
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