Synchronizing 2 graphs / producer-consumer loop stuck

I have a pretty huge VI here, so I created a smaller one, which shows my problem.
First thing is, the user has to set some parameters, before the VI is running. So, I created a sequence with a while loop. If the user hits the button, the loop ends. That works pretty well.
In my huge VI I am doing data acquisition. The user hits the button in order to acquire data, checks the data and the data is saved when he hits the acquire button the next time.
Next thing is, I have two graphs. When the user zooms one graph the scale of the other should be updated automaticaly. Therefor I created a loop with a event structure in it. If the user hits the button in order to acquire the next set of date, the loop ends. So far so good, this works pretty good as well.
But now - if I zoom the graph before I hit the button in order to end the while loop, everything gets stuck. I don't know how to get rid of that behaviour.
Please do not suggest anything like getting rid of the producer/consumer loop, since I specifficaly need everything that is in the VI for a certain purpose.
If you need any additional information, please just ask. I hope my problem is described well enough so far.
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thanks for the response,
the upper event structure will trigger the data acquisition process, so I don't want to have any time out value unless the user wants to start the acquisition process.
the lower event structure will take care of the state when the acquisition is done, but the user wants to examine the aquired data. Using a longer time out will not be a disadvantage, but I think it will not solve the problem alone.
At the moment everything works fine, if you use it how it is ment to be used. If you aquire data and then mess up with the graphs scale, everything is good. But if you try to manipulate the graph and then acquire data, it gets stuck. Apperently, that is not how it's ment to be used - but you know what users often do...
Unfortunately the highlight execution is of no particular use. If I turn it on and manipulate the graphs scale, the vi gets stuck, but no specific process is shown in the code. Apperently it is waiting for a event, but it isn't triggered. So, beeing able to disable an event structure and enabling it later would solve the problem, for example.... I haven't found any solution for dealing with that, unfortunately...

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