Synonyms of LR keywords in PS

PS does not save the synonyms of keywords entered in LR.
It would be nice, if it can save with synonyms ...

You cannot edit a raw file in Photoshop and save back to the raw file, only to a new file, which is why there is a -edit.tif version of the file.
Lightroom is a non-destructive editor so the original file plus the edits in LR or the XMP constitute the changes you see in LR.  Photoshop is a destructive editor, so the pixels of the file are actually changed in the image file, rather than instructions being stored in an XMP file. 
The types of edits you can do in LR are different than what is done in PS so choose what you do in each, and expect two different files if you use both to work on a photo.

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  • Search using synonym of a keyword

    Lightroom 3.6 and 4: Is it possible to search by synonym of a keyword? It was possible in LR2 (if I remember it correctly) and after LR3 the feature has been gone and looks like it's still not possible. I have huge controlled vocabulary keyword database with synonyms and translations for stock usage and can’t search using synonims. And this is so frustrating!

    Actually I don't even tried to search for synonyms in smart collections. And if my smart collection search for a keyword I frequently know main keyword for photos I want to appear.
    I need a search for synonyms possibility in Filter Keywords input line. When I assign keywords I'am not always remember main keyword, sometimes it's latin or russian or english synonym.
    But I agree the Keyword List filter should reveal synonyms.
    If there will be just a main keyword for typed synonym it will be sufficient (it worked this way in LR2).

  • How to search keywords by synonym (Lightroom CC)

    Hi
    I'm using a hierarchical keywording for animal taxonomy, it is based on the "official" latin names, vernacular names in various languages are included as synonyms.
    Is there a way to search for keywords using their synonyms? The search box seems to be limited to only the keyword and does not look for synonyms.
    Thanks
    Chris

    Chris,
    Just to clarify what LR does do: When you search by keyword in the Library Filter bar or with a smart collection, LR does search synonyms. However, as you noticed, when you use the Filter Keywords box in the Keyword List panel, synonyms are ignored.  Also, you can't enter a synonym into the Keywording panel (if you try it, LR will silently create a new keyword for you).  It appears that LR 2 had the ability to filter the keyword list by synonyms and use synonyms to apply keywords, but that functionality was removed in LR 3. 
    Please add your vote and opinion to this topic in the official Adobe feedback forum: Lightroom: Find keyword by synonym
    My Any Tag plugin does handle synonyms the way you want, but it was designed for a particular workflow and may not be to your taste.

  • Keyword Synonyms don't work

    Keyword synonyms do not appear to set up a bidirecional relationship between the keyword and the synonym
    Define a keyword and specify a synonym
    Tag an image with the keyword (not the synonym); The image will appear under both the keyword and the synonym in the catalog
    Tag an image with the synonym;  In this case the image will appear ONLY under the synonym, as if the synonym is now a new top-level keyword
    What's the point of the synonym definition if it goes only one way?  You can't use the synonyms interchangeably with the keyword, you have to remember it's a synonym.  This can't be working as designed, can it?

    Tag an image with the synonym;  In this case the image will appear ONLY under the synonym, as if the synonym is now a new top-level keyword.
    When you enter the name of a synonym into the Keywording > Enter Keywords text box, it actually does create a new tag of the same name and apply it to the image. That new tag has no relationship to the synonym or the synonym's tag.
    A related issue is that synonyms can't be searched via the Keyword List > Filter Keywords box; see this thread for more details:
    http://forums.adobe.com/thread/663188?tstart=0
    It appears that these changes (whether bugs or deliberate design) were introduced in LR 3.

  • Synonyms in keywords palette

    I need a script to include synonyms in the keywords palette in Adobe Bridge with an option to apply only the synonyms, as in Lightroom.
    Probably this way:
    KEYWORD "synonym" "synonym"
    When select "KEYWORD", only add to the image the words are in quotation marks or any other symbol.

    fabriziopg wrote:
    I've found a kind of solution in italian web site.
    http://www.spider-mac.com/2013/10/28/il-dizionario-italiano-integrato-di-os-x-ma vericks-e-ottimo-ma-quello-di-spider-mac-e-migliore/
    Very useful, thanks for providing that link!

  • Keyword (including synonymous) list (including synonymous) applied to an image

    hello. I am using LR4 - how come when I go to "keyword tags" (right pane) and I select "will export" i cannot see all the keywords and synonymous i entered to a specific picture? I have many synonymous per each keyword and the list stops at some point… is there a limit to keywords (and their synonymous) i can enter? many thanks. Marco
    ps: see example attached

    Hi and thnx for the reply. I guess there is a limit on Macs too then...that's what I'm using...

  • Synonyms on Adobe Bridge CS4

    Hi everybody
    Would I like to know if it is possible to set up a list of synonyms in the keywords of Adobe Bridge CS4? And if so, how? And so not, what can I do?
    Thanks,
    iPee.

    Hello and thanks for the reply.
    Cardreader quite new.  Downloaded trial version Lightroom 3 and reader works fine to this.  Also downloads fine to Canon provided software but would prefer to use Bridge.  Thanks Martin.

  • Questions about keyword hierarchy

    I'm in the process of designing and building a keyword hierarchy for LR3.5, and I'm at a loss to understand a couple of things.
    In the process of deciding how to build this, I've looked at a number of hierarchies people have posted to the web. One thing I've noted is that people sometimes have the same word in multiple hierarchies, and sometimes the same word as both a regular entry and as a synonym.  For example:
    Architecture
          Building
              Church
                      {Cathedral}
              Cathedral
              Skyscraper.....
    Cities
          Building
          Cathedral....
    So what happens if I use the keyword building?
    I *think* what will happen is that LR gives me a choice of selecting Building>Architecture OR Building>Cities.  Is that correct?   Is there a way to get Building, Cities AND Architecture? What happens if I select Cities?  Do I get ONLY cities, and none of the lower level keywords?
    And I'm at a total loss about synonyms. If, while applying keywords to an image, I select the synonym {Cathedral}, under Architecture, what keyword(s) get assigned to the image?  What if I select Church?  And what if I select Cathedral under Cities?
    Many thanks.

    Thanks web-weaver.
    I posted basically the same question in a couple of other places, and got conflicting answers. And the information I found on web searches tended to explain HOW to set up a hierarchy, but not how it really worked, and information on synonyms is especially limited, and often conflicting. So I did some tests.  So as to not use any words that were already in my keyword list, I built a simple hierarchy of words not currently in use:
    Colors       
        Blue   
            {Cyan}
            {Azure}
        Red   
            Pink
                            Salmon
            Rose
        Green   
            {BRG}
            {Emerald}
        Cyan  
        Orange
    Fruit
        Orange
        Apple
    (I actually had a couple of other trees, but this is enough to demonstrate how they actually work.)   
    And it turns out synonyms don't work quite like I expected them to, and are, honestly, so limited I question their value.
    Test1:  Tag a photo with the keyword Cyan. Only Cyan gets applied to the metadata, not any of the words associated with it (Blue, Colors, Azure). Searching, I can find the image by searching on Cyan, or Colors. But NOT by searching on Blue.
    Test2: Tag a photo with the keyword Blue. Only Blue gets applied to the metadata, not Cyan, or Azure. When searching, I can find it by searching on Blue, or any of it's synonyms (Cyan, Azure), or Colors.
    (I had expected synonyms to work the other way, I think. So that if I searched on Blue I'd get all images tagged with Blue, but also those tagged with Azure and Cyan. )
    Test3:  Tag one photo with Cyan, and another with Blue. Searching with Cyan gets me both images, as does searching with Colors. Searching on Blue gets me only the image tagged with Blue.
    Test 4: Tag a photo with the word Colors (and nothing else). I find it by searching ONLY on colors, not Blue, Cyan, or Azure.
    Test 5:  Tag a photo with the word Red (and nothing else). I find it by searching on Red, or Colors, but not Pink or Rose.
    Test 6:  Tag a photo with the word Pink (and nothing else). I find it by searching on Pink, Red or Colors, but not Salmon.
    Test 7: Tag one photo with Orange->Color, and a second image with Orange->Fruit (this nomenclature seems backwards to me, btw.  It's really Fruit-Orange and Color-Orange, but whatever...) Searching on Orange finds both images. Searching on Color finds only one, searching on Fruit finds only the other.
    Synonyms affect only search, and not tagging (assignment). Searching on a term that is a synonym will find images tagged with the main word. (e.g., search on Azure and you'll find Blue, but not Colors). 
    On another site someone replied that when you search you'll find "any image which bears that keyword or any keyword BELOW it in the hierarchy." That's backwards, at least as I understand the word "above.". You'll actually find images using the keyword, it's alias, or any word ABOVE it in the hierarchy. So if an image is tagged with Red, you can find it by searching on Red or Colors, but not Pink. If the image is tagged with pink, you can find it with Colors, Red or Pink, but not Salmon.
    The worst limitation of using synonyms is that when you're tagging an image, LR3 isn't smart enough to know the synonyms exist. So if I tag an image with the word Azure, LR3 doesn't substitute Blue, or use the synonym where it already exists in the hierarchy.  Instead, creates a new, top level entry named Azure, not tied in any way to the alias or the "Colors" tree. 
    It seems like it would be useful to be able to enter Blue as a search term and find any images tagged with Azure and Cyan. Or enter Red as a search term and find Pink and Rose, too. The way it's implemented now forces you to enter the term you're most likely to use (Blue, for example) at the bottom of the hierarchy, and the least used words above. Or to use synonyms, and hope you never get confused an enter a synonym as a keyword instead of the word it refers to.
    It seems to me it's more useful to just use Azure as another keyword beneath (or maybe above) Blue in the hierarchy. At least that way if I tag an image with Azure, I'm not creating a new entry in the Keyword list. I'm not sure I see much value in synonyms as they're currently implemented, but if someone has some examples of how synonyms benefit them I'd be delighted to see them.
    Hopefully this information will be of use to someone.

  • Keyword Handling Needs Improvement - Too Easy To Create A Mess That's Too Hard To Clean Up

    Presently, its easy to assign keywords and use them (other than  "improper" handling of spaces I mean), - almost too easy. - easy to  create a keyword mess.
    Although I'm sure I haven't  given anywhere near as much thought to the subject as some people have,  here are my first thoughts at some features that would help:
    - Proper handling of space character:
      - Presently its used as a legal keyword character and a keyword delimiter - this just needs to be fixed!
    - Detection of first use:
    Presently,  if I enter 'Robb Cole', I don't want a new keyword to be added, since I  already have 'Rob Cole' - I would always like to be warned the first  time a keyword is added, and given the opportunity to make a different choice or go ahead and add.
    - Detection of duplicate:
    If I enter 'Rob Cole', but I already have 'People/Rob Cole', I don't want a new keyword added, I want to be warned.
    - Detection of similarities:
    This  is big topic, and includes handling of plurals and mispellings. I  suspect there is some standard conventions for dealing with plurals, and  I don't know what they are. But, if I enter Complection and that's not  in the "dictionary", but Completion and Complexion are, I'd like to be  notified and offered a list of choices, bringing me to my next idea:  Dictionaries...
    - Detection of synonyms: If I enter a keyword that's already a synonym of another keyword, I usually don't want to create a new keyword.
    - Dictionaries: Correct me if I'm wrong, but if I import "Controlled  Vocabulary" all the keywords will just be mixed in with whatever already  exists. Likewise if I import photos from some other photographer, I now  have their keywording paradigm all mixed in too. I'd like to have a Personal dictionary, and a "Controlled Vocabulary dictionary, and "From Imported Photos" dictionaries... And, I'd like to be able to set a preferred dictionary, such that when entering a keyword that's not in the preferred dictionary, I would be offered an opportunity to consolidate, or create a new dictionary, or add to existing dictionary...
    - Because keyword search engines differ in the way they handle plurals, I would think the ability to automatically add a plural, and maybe even common mispellings as synonyms would be helpful as well.
    - Better Tools for consolidation and re-organization would also be greatly beneficial and appreciated.
    I will no doubt think of other things, but this should be enough to kick off this thread.
    Rob

    I couldn't wait: Keyword Consolidator.
    R

  • Keywording enhancements

    Right-click on a keyword in the Recent Keywords panel to be able to edit it and its attributes.
    Right-click on a keyword in the Recent Keywords panel to be able to expand it in the Keyword Tags panel.
    Ability to set "will export" on an image-by-image basis. Each keyword that shows in the "will export" panel to have a tickbox to allow the setting to be toggled for that particular image.
    An option to preserve the order of keywords as entered.
    Ability to cut and paste keywords within the Keyword Tags panel instead of having to drag them everywhere.
    Searches performed via the Find Box to include synonyms.
    Keyword autocomplete to include synonyms, not just keywords.
    When assigning a parent using the ">" notation, the parent to autocomplete.
    Ability to simultaneously select and edit the attributes of several keywords in the Keywords Tags panel. E.g. Shift-click and control-click to select several keywords, and then uncheck Export Parents
    A search box to find and expand a given keyword.
    Addition of a toggle to hide keywords in Keyword Tags panel with 0 entries
    When the Keywords Tags panel is expanded, and scrolled down, after assigning a keyword and hitting return, the panel scrolls back to the top. It should stay where it is.
    There appears to be a bug in the Will Export panel. When there are too many keywords to display in the panel, no scroll bars appear, the list of assigned keywords is simply truncated. It is impossible to see all of the keywords assigned to the image.

    That looks like a "primary only" problem.
    See the answer by Frank Caggiano in this thread
    With "primary only" selected, most actions only apply to the first picture of a selection.
    You can turn it off from the view-menu or the toggle button marked with "1".

  • How to revise keyword list new hierarchy

    My present keyword list is just a list of words with no hierarchy. After exporting as a text file, it was noted that many single words have the brackets around them, e.g. [cat] rather than just plain cat.  How did this happen? Can I delete my present list and import a "clean" list? How can I create a hierarchy with my present list?  Reference to a tutorial or manual would be great. Thanks.

    If you have a list of words with no hierarchy, such as the one below:
    geography
    Europe
    Italy
    Campagnia
    Mount Vesuvius
    Naples
    Pompeii
    and if you export the keyword list to a file, and edit the hierarchy as follows:
    geography
        Europe
            Italy
                Campagnia
                    Mount Vesuvius
                    Naples
                    Pompeii
    everything would be fine if you did not have any photos associated to these keywords to begin with, but if all of the keywords in the flat list of keywords were already associated to photos, then after importing the keyword list, the keywords in Lightroom would appear as follows:
    geography
    geography
         Europe
             Italy
                 Campagnia
                     Mount Vesuvius
                     Naples
                     Pompeii
    Europe
    Italy
    Campagnia
    Mount Vesuvius
    Naples
    Pompeii
    That's because Lightroom stores the full path of a keyword hierarchy when that keyword is associated to a photo.
    Based on the above hierarchy, the keyword "Pompeii" can be associated to a photo in the following ways:
    Pompeii > Campagnia > Italy > Europe > geography
    or
    Pompeii
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    All this said, if a hierarchy is to be changed, it is best to do so within Lightroom itself, by drag and drop, and not by doing an export/import of the keyword list.
    Also note that when considering keyword hierarchies, it is best to only assign the keyword that is at the bottom of the hiearchy to your photos, as the ones above will automatically be inherited.
    As for the brackets around keywords when you export a keyword list, they mean the following:
    The square bracket [ ] around a keyword means that the "Include on Export" is not checked in the Keyword Tag options of the keyword; this keyword will not be included in the export of photos that have this keyword associated to them. The other special character used is curly brackets { } which define synonyms of a keyword. A hierarchy is simply defined by adding a tab for each level of the hierarchy.
    Here's an example:
    [geography]          - this keyword will not be included in exported photos (its purpose is just to organize the hierarchy)
        Europe
            Italy
                Campagnia
                    Mount Vesuvius
                    Naples
                    Pompeii
    sport                    - while this keyword is also for organization of the hierarchy,
                                  it has more value and I decided that it should export with photos
        running
            3km
            5km
            first race
            half marathon
        soccer
            {football}          - this is a synonym for the word soccer
    So the square brackets [ ] have nothing to do with the hierarchy; it simply indicates wether you want that keyword to be exportable or not.
    Finally, a good use of the export/import keyword list is to add or remove these brackets, add synonyms to existing keywords, or add new keywords to the hierarchy, but NOT change an existing hierarchy or create one based on existing keywords.
    Hope this helps!

  • People Shown

    Using Face Recognition in PS Elements 13 I added people. Here is the behavior I see
    * In PSE 13 the people are added to "People Tags" (though I only see a list of ALL people in ALL pictures with no highlight which one is in the selected picture)
    * In Lightroom the names of the people show up under "Keyword Tags"
    * In PhotoMe, just like in Lightroom, the names of the people show up under "Keywords"
    * The same as above applies to "Events" and "Places"
    My understanding was that PSE 13 complies with IPTC standards, i.e. it will put people in the "People Shown" section of IPTC. If that's the case then why do they show up under "Keywords" for both Lightroom and PhotoMe? More importantly, how can I keep these keywords separated (keywords vs people vs events)?

    I understand what you describe but my question was if it works. I did some tests and it did not work for me. Here is what I found:
    1) Check "Include on Export" and check "Export Synonyms" --> both the keyword and the synonym is exported as expected
    2) Check "Export Synonyms" and uncheck "Include on Export" --> "Export Synonyms" is still checked by grayed out --> neither the keyword nor the synonym is exported
    I checked this with PhotoME. You might want to double check if you depend on this and verify if it works for you.
    Btw, for scenario 1) when you click on "Save metadata to file" it will NOT write the synonym but only they keyword. While the documentiation does say "EXPORT Synonyms" this different behavior is still a bit confusing.
    Btw 2, from the privacy concerns mentioned before it would really make a lot of sense that one can export the synonym but NOT the keyword.

  • Keyword file format with {synonyms} is too finicky

    I just created a 4000 term keyword file, hierarchically organized.  i used excel to create the organization.  this was not an easy task because it seems that lightroom requires a file organized to look like this
    main keyword
                   subkeyword
                             subsubkeyword {synonym}
    main keyword2
                   subkeyword2
                        subsubkeyword2
                             subsubsubsubkeyword {synonym}
    etc
    my original excel file looked like this
    main keyword        subkeyword          subsubkeyword                                        {synonym}
    main keyword2      subkeyword2       subsubkeyword2 subsubsubkeyword {synonym2}
    It was not easy to get all of the synonyms lined up with the final subkeyword, because the hierarchy length varied.  I couldnt just remove repeated tabs because the keywords had to have repeated tabs to end up at the right level.
    it would be great if lightroom could use a more standard spreadsheet format.  Of course, perhaps there is a simpler way that i am overlooking.

    the problem was not so much converting from columns to rows which can be done using sequence numbers and copying and deleting as needed.  the problem is in moving the synonyms so that there are not duplicate tabs between the last keyword and the synonyms.  If i understand correctly the synonyms have to be on the same line as the last subkeyword and with only one tab between keyword and synonyms.  i wrote some formulas that did this but it was only a partially automated method and very messy.
    As you say, the format is a poor one.

  • Why do keyword synonyms get imported as separate keywords?

    Hello, and sorry if this question has been asked before (it's my first time in the forums, and I find them rather user-unfriendly).
    I'm currently trying to understand keywords & keyword hierarchies.
    I have successfully created several keywords that include sub-keywords and synonyms, for example, the top keyword "Location" includes the sub-keyword "Europe", and for that I have entered the synonym "Europa" (German translation for "Europe").
    Now, I apply the keyword "Europe" to an image, export the image, and add the exported image to my catalog. And now Lightroom automatically adds "Europa" as a separate keyword to my keyword list. This defeats the whole purpose of keyword hierarchies, since my keyword list will soon be cluttered again, and all the help sites I've browsed so far speak of uncluttered keyword lists.
    So, my suspicion is that I'm doing something wrong. But I am lost... can anybody help?
    I have checked the option "Write Keywords as Lightroom Hierarchy" when exporting - I thought this would mean that my exported image will contain the same keyword hierarchy and thus there shouldn't be any new keywords added to my list when adding that exported file to my catalog. But it doesn't seem to work...
    Any suggestions?
    Thanks a lot!

    Cornelia-I wrote:
    Come on, Brett,
    That is no solution to Simone's problems!
    She wants the full LR capability of keyword hierarchies plus synonyms on any level. This should work if you export out of LR and back in. Especially if you share such a photo with a different person.
    Does your answer mean that LR is incapable of doing that?  That the feature of synonyms just does not work, because LR cannot mark an exported keyword as synonym of another?
    Leaving aside the awkward question of WHY one would immediately re-import an exported image - synonyms are intended to work within a given Catalog despite not being present as actual keywords on an image.
    So it is not necessary to physically include synonyms either outgoing or incoming, in order for these to operate correctly while you are in the Catalog concerned. Just like Collections, synonyms and keyword nesting are properties of a Catalog; not of an image.
    Any image which has a particular real keyword, "hooks into" any associated synonym behaviour automatically - and any hierarchy behaviour also.
    Including these "virtual" keywords as REAL keywords on export, means that they ACt as real keywords. For example, these are no longer synonyms, they are now full keywords in their own right - so they will now show in the keywords list.
    If you don't require synonyms or implied-hierarchy to be seen OUTSIDE Lightroom then - simply - don't include this in your output.
    If you want to pass images on to someone else in a way that maintains all the same full Catalog functions that you have locally; you can select them and Export as Catalog. Or you can provide them with a template Catalog which already contains this structure. When they import your new image with its actual keywords, all the related virtual synonyms and hierarchy will already be there, for them to hook into.

  • Keyword synonym problem LR 1.1

    New problem with LR1.1
    Keyword synonyms are no longer transferred on DNG export?

    The color changes are in the color profile, which you can set in the develop module, camera calibration tab. This will have little effect on the vast majority of images.

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