System overload . Just right processor clips. Left one almost at zero.

Sorry, if this has been asked before, but I did not manage to find a way to look for thread titles and there´s thousands of posts containing my search items!
Here´s my problem: I get the System overload message: "Audio engine was not able to process all required data in time (-10011)", which is in my case understandable, cause I´m running very many EXS an reberbs.
But:
1. My system performance shows, that the right processor is doing allmost all work, while the left processor is just at 10 %.
Why is this?
I remember a trick in Logic 5, where U could ballance the processor-work by using an I/O-plugin an bypass this. This way some of the work was handled by the other processor. Are there any similar tricks in Logic 7?
2. I´m working almost without audio tracks and with many EXS-plugins.
Even though I set everything in a way, that my hard-disc should have a lot of work (Buffer Size 1024, fast disc, etc...) the system performance shows zero activity, but the Audio clips.
What´s wrong?
Thanks for your help!

Hi Felix, bin zwar nicht Sonther, antworte aber trotzdem mal:
Denke es reicht, wenn Du einfach mal den 10.4.9 Combo Installer drüber installierst...wie Sonther schon erwähnt hat !
Logic brauchst Du deswegen nicht gleich zu deinstallieren.
Einfach mal ausprobieren...
Aber ob es an 10.4.9 liegt, warum die Prozessorlast nicht gleichmässig verteilt wird, bezweifel ich. Logic müsste das von sich aus eigentlich selbst machen.
Ich arbeite zur Zeit noch mit 10.4.8 auf men Mac Pro, da hab ich immer ne
gleichmässige Auslastung aller 4 Kerne.
Könntest aber mal den Node-Trick ausprobieren.
Logic Node auf dem gleichen Rechner installieren und in Logic Spuren auf den Node verteilen( vielleicht kannst Du damit den 2 Kern benutzen).
Wurde von Leuten schon auf den G5 quad Macs gemacht, bevor nur 2 von den 4 Kernen von Logic benutzt werden konnten.
MfG

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    Ok Great - Thanks - makes sense - I was using a Lacie with Protools an my PC ( it recently crashed) - I was under the impression I would have enough processing power with out it on the MAC.
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    The -first- thing I would do is clear some space on your hard drive, my feeling is that OSX is writing swap files and the drive head is working overtime to try and find free space to write. That in itself could cause an overload.
    Free drive space now or expect more problems than you're currently experiencing.
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    CCTM
    Posts: 249
    Registered: Mar 11, 2007
    Re: System Overload ...i know ..I'm not the 1st ...
    Posted: Aug 10, 2009 9:28 AM in response to: 4feet4
    4feet4 wrote:
    Ok Great - Thanks - makes sense - I was using a Lacie with Protools an my PC ( it recently crashed) - I was under the impression I would have enough processing power with out it on the MAC.
    As stated in an earlier reply, if you only have 2 or 3 gigs of free space on your Mac hard drive, processing power is NOT the problem. Your boot disc is way too full. You should have at least 20-30GB free.
    Running a second drive for the audio side will, of course, help, but you MUST clear out the main hard drive (or fit a larger one) before you run into even more serious problems.
    HTH
    CCT
    Larry Mal
    Posts: 654
    From: Saint Louis, Missouri
    Registered: Sep 27, 2007
    Re: System Overload ...i know ..I'm not the 1st ...
    Posted: Aug 10, 2009 9:37 AM in response to: 4feet4
    Well, you have enough processing power, that isn't the issue. All the processing power in the world won't matter if you have 64 megabytes of RAM, there will be a bottleneck. Another bottleneck is with data transference. Like I said, when using a single drive to transfer date from as well as to- which is what you are doing when you are using Logic, running within the scope of the operating system, and hosting virtual instruments, all of which is writing the resulting audio information to the same drive, at the same time, then you are creating another problem. But you don't have to do that, by sending the audio written to another drive other than the one the audio is being generated from.
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    dual 2.8GHz Mac Pro, Macbook Pro 2.16 GHz Mac OS X (10.5.6) 2 GB RAM
    4feet4
    Posts: 17
    From: Pasadena
    Registered: Mar 12, 2009
    Re: System Overload ...i know ..I'm not the 1st ...
    Posted: Aug 10, 2009 11:12 AM in response to: Larry Mal
    L - Thanks for laying that out in simple terms - learning a ton and loving it ( when things work) - I will pick up another Lacie - my old Lacie for my PC crashed - I'm better off starting from scratch ( I'm still trying to retrive some data of the old one) ... I'll let you know how it works. I would have got an external drive outright but the Logic Certified guys at Apple told me I would not need one - sounds like this is the big problem. I'll use the freeze method when needed also....... maybe I'll have better luck with Groove Agent 3 with the external drive.
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    (TBD)
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    Larry Mal
    Posts: 654
    From: Saint Louis, Missouri
    Registered: Sep 27, 2007
    Re: System Overload ...i know ..I'm not the 1st ...
    Posted: Aug 10, 2009 11:39 AM in response to: 4feet4
    And free up some room on that system drive.
    dual 2.8GHz Mac Pro, Macbook Pro 2.16 GHz Mac OS X (10.5.6) 2 GB RAM
    Pancenter
    Posts: 3,306
    From: Southwest U.S.
    Registered: Apr 22, 2007
    Re: System Overload ...i know ..I'm not the 1st ...
    Posted: Aug 10, 2009 12:04 PM in response to: 4feet4
    4feet4 wrote:
    L - Thanks for laying that out in simple terms - learning a ton and loving it ( when things work) - I will pick up another Lacie - my old Lacie for my PC crashed - I'm better off starting from scratch ( I'm still trying to retrive some data of the old one) ... I'll let you know how it works. I would have got an external drive outright but the Logic Certified guys at Apple told me I would not need one - sounds like this is the big problem. I'll use the freeze method when needed also....... maybe I'll have better luck with Groove Agent 3 with the external drive.
    Groove Agent 3 loads samples into memory so I doubt if your luck will change.
    The -first- thing I would do is clear some space on your hard drive, my feeling is that OSX is writing swap files and the drive head is working overtime to try and find free space to write. That in itself could cause an overload.
    Free drive space now or expect more problems than you're currently experiencing.
    pancenter-
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