T440p ultrabay HDD not spinning down

My T440p has the Lenovo ultrabay caddy containing an HDD that never spins down and I've not idea how to make it obey the Win8 power settings that specifiy drives spin down after 20 minutes idle. Clearly that setting is for the main bay drive only (which in my case is an SSD).
Can anyone point me in the right direction? At present I see absolutely no way of spinning down the ultrabay drive short of turning the machine off.

Hi,
You've ruled out the obvious I presume? Do you have the Photos tile on the modern screen? Is it live?
That one got me on my T420. The slideshow gadget was accessing my photos - on the HDD so it couldn't spin down.
Z.
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Sorry, should have clarified. I use it for the time machine backups only - I was talking about makig a safety backup of these sparse bundles (I think that's what time machine backup is called) in case it s%#t the bed, and i needed to drag it over to a newer unit. Maybe that process doesn't work.
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The heat is killing it.. softly and by degrees.. both time and temp wait for no man.. or was that the tides.
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Hard drive replacement is dead easy.. google for it.
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