Table look up and derivation rule in COPA

Hi,
What is the difference between table look up and derivation rule in COPA. How do we inter rellate them in customizing.
Please clarify.
Thanks and Regards,
Ram
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Hi ram,
Herewith i am giving you link i hope this will help full to you.
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Method which is used in the derivation step.
You can choose from the following derivation types:
Derivation rule :
Derivation rules are "if-then" rules, in which you specify which combination's of characteristic values will yield which target characteristic values.
Table look-up :
Table look-ups let you determine characteristic values by having the system read them from any table. The source fields must correspond to the key of the table where you want the system to find the target value.
Thanks,
Anil

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Hi Waman,
Thanks a lot for all and thanks to Dave.
But it doesn't work.
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I think your concern is about updating dervation rule values not derivation rule .
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Hi,
Please check the following link:
https://help.sap.com/saphelp_erp60_sp/helpdata/en/7a/4c38ee4a0111d1894c0000e829fbbd/content.htm
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Hi AMK,
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Could you please tell me how to write derivation rule in COPA. I would appreciation if you send me any document related to it.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

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The best way to find out is to check the characteristics in both the release orders seperately ..
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Derivation strategy determines the way to derive the values. Derivation rule will actually make you derive the values based on given parameters.
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Derivation rule - Table look up

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Can u explain about the Table look up, Move and Clear options in derivation rule. What type of Fields can be looked up, Moved and cleared to what characters? Can u advise me for detailed study.
Regards

Hi,
Derivation of characteristics happen if the existing characteristics does not support your requirements. Such derivations are based upon other characteristics.
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1. Table look up : Here the characteristics are dereived based on reading a table.
Constraint: The source field should be the key field in the table
Example: U want to have a characteristics Division based out of Material Master.
Source field : Product Number (Key field of MARA)
So based on the pdt number, the material master table is read and the division is identified. If the record is found, the division is fetched and used
2. Move: Copies the constant from the source char to the target char
Example: If sold to party and ship to party are same.
source: Sold to party
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3 Clear: deletes the value of charac and move back to its initial value
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COPA0003 Enhancement for assignment to profitability segment (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEAK_001
COPA0005 Enhancement for actual data update (CO-PA)
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEII_001
Function Module: EXIT_SAPLKEII_002
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Please guide me to complete this assignment.
The requirement is to fetch the material tax classification and customer tax classificaion into COPA through derivation rule.
we can fetch material tax classification through table VBRP.
Please help me to derive customer tax classification( KNVI-TAXKD) through derivation.
Customer tax classification data is available in table KNVI.
But when you consider KNVI table through table lookup it is asking customer, country key and tax category. To define this derivation rule we need tax category values in COPA.
We can get customer and country key but not tax category.
How to bring tax category (KNVI-TATYP)
into COPA to define derivation rule to fetch customer tax classification( KNVI-TAXKD).
Please suggest me if any alternative solution to bring customer tax classification data into COPA.
Points will be assigned to usefull answer.
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Amar.

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Copa derivation rule for customer group

Hi All,
I am currently facing an issue with Derivation rule and hope someone can help me on resolving this.I have created a COPA derivation rule which has field as
Source Field
company code
Plant
Target field
Distribution channel
Condition
customer group 3 = 18.
so ideally with this conbination the distribtion channel gets updated
for the sales order.
However the issue we are facing is that the rule is working for only 1st line item and not for the others. I have also kept setting as" overwrite values only if new values found"
e.g if we see the accounting doc of billing then
line item 1 customer: x
line item 2 SaLes GL: rule works fine and dist channel is updated.
line item 3 discount GL: rule does not work.
Have checked the derivation rule and it looks correct.
Can you kindly suggest solution to this.

Hi Ajay,
Thank you so much for your reply.Please note that the GL is a cost element but the category in system is 1 and not 12.However I would like understand as to why is this happening.why does the system picks up derviation rule for a Gross sales GL and not for Discount GL(Cost element).
The distribution channel gets updated for sales GL when i check the prof segment of the line item, however this is not the case with doscount GL.
I would like to understnad the implication before changing cost element category from 1 to 12 as it runs across system.
Kindly provide some more explaination.
thanks in advance.

COPA derivation rule :more than 6 target fields

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As per client's requirement I need to include 10 target fields in a COPA derivation rule . Now after entering 6 , I can see rest of the rows are greyed out ; it looks like SAP does not allow more than 6 as target .
I tried to find out if such limitation is mentioned anywhere in SAP documentation but I could not find ; if anyone has any reference doc on that please let me know .
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OR any COPA user exit / enhancement will help me accommodate all 10 targets in a single step of derivation ? as far as my knowledge goes SAP provided COPA user exits (1 to 5) will not be helpful here .
Awaiting your help ...
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Indranil Sen

Dear Indranil Sen,
As per my knowledge it is not possible to mention more than 6 source and target fields for a derivation rule.
Because for that program, SAP defines that (1+5) fields for that screen.
That is the reason you are getting the gray color after 6 entries
Yes we can increase that limit but for that we need the access key.
If you have access key authorization, you can increase the limit
Reasons in detail:
Screen filed what you are looking for is:
DYNP5400-SRC-NAME-FIELDNAME
There you can enter (1+5) entries only. enhancement for that field is difficult.
So you can opt for 2nd option as you said.
Let see Mr. Waman Shirwaicar's views on this issue.
Regards,
Pavan Kumar Arvapally

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