TC rate changing on round trip

I am sending an aiff audio file to STP from FCP. When I finishing processing the clip and save it and go back to my timeline in FCP, the TC rate has somehow gone to 30 instead of 25. (I am woking in PAL). I noticed because the audio waveform pattern on the clip does not corrispond to the actual audio. This did not occur in the older version of STP. Any ideas? My prefs in STP are all set to 25.

I'm beginning to isolate the problem. Your post in fact gave me other ideas and tests to run to try to hone in on the issue. The audio being sent to STP was a translation so only an aiff audio file. The frequency being 48Khz every step of the way. Out of curiosity I sent a clip that I had digtized from digibeta (10 bit uncompressed with 48 KHz audio) to STP roundtripping as with the audio only clip and it was fine. No problem at all - no change in TC rates. So... I tried with a clip of music downloaded from a professional music library site (wav, 48KHz). I dropped the music onto the timeline and roundtripped thhrough STP. Same Frame rate change as before and green render line up top. Frequency stays constant at 48KHz. So the problem is occuring on audio only clips.
And it is happening only since I upgraded. I went back to a December project with the same types of files which had been round tripped and they are file. I opened them in STP, saved the file and back in FCP the green render line is back and Frame rate is changed.
So there is obviously something that STP is doing to those files automatically.

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Message was edited by: avideditor

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Ernie, the photos are captured by Canon XTi so they are in CR2, saved to my internal HD and then "loaded" to Aperture as referenced files.
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Solved!
It's again RTFM ("Read The F*ng Manual").
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Re: (forte-users) Round-trip database design

We have used Erwin quite sucessfully, but it's not cheap.
"Rottier, Pascal" <Rottier.Pascalpmintl.ch> on 02/15/2001 04:51:01 AM
To: 'Forte Users' <forte-userslists.xpedior.com>
cc:
Subject: (forte-users) Round-trip database design
Hi,
Maybe not 100% the right mailing list but it's worth a try.
Does anyone use tools to automatically update the structure of an existing
database?
For example, you have a full database model (Power Designer) and you've
created a script to create all these tables in a new and empty database.
You've been using this database and filling tables with data for a while.
Now you want to do some marginal modifications on these tables. Add a
column, remove a column, rename a column, etc.
Is there a way to automatically change the database without losing data and
without having to do it manually (except the manual changes in the (Power
Designer) model).
Thanks
Pascal Rottier
Atos Origin Nederland (BAS/West End User Computing)
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Hello Pascal,
Forte has classes which might be able to scan the database structure
(DBColumnDesc,etc.). Express use this classes to determine how the
BusinessClass looks like. We use Forte to create the tables,indexes and
constraints. We have the Problem that the above described classes are only
readable but not fillable. The solution for us will be to create our own
classes in
the same manner than existing classes are. So we are able to make updates in
the database structure and maybe able to change the database tables with tool
code. Another reason for us to have the database structure in the
application is the
ability to see the table structure on which the Forte code works always up
to date
with the code. You are always able to compare the structure of the database
with
your businessclasses and able to convert a wrong structure to the correct
structure
with maybe just a little piece of code.
Hope this helps
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Hi Carol,
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Thanks,
Eric
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