TCS3 Index ToolsPro conditional text problem

I'm using Index ToolsPro to handle the index in my current project. This creates the conditional text setting, which is then imported into the RH project as a conditional build tag. This is used by default in RH to hide the Index ToolsPro index entries. However, I've had an issue with bulleted lists.
If the entry is in a list entry, the conditional text setting also includes the bullet and space up to the beginning of the list entry, which means the bullet is removed from the help.
Ive attached a screen shot to show what I mean.
Is anyone else using Index ToolsPro and having issues like this?
Mark

Hi Nancy:
I had thought that the ".." was inserted by Dreamweaver to establish a relative path to the style-sheets. When I implemented it, I found a slightly different rendering as follows:
What I can't seem to understand is why the blue gradient background from the general style-sheet is being incorporated into the rendering of the conditional IE-6 style-sheet that specifies that no background image be used, and instead that the background color be rendered as #FFF. Still this is somewhat of an improvement since the appropriate button images, and name plate and logo have been used. What is mystifying is that it is selective in what it incorporates.
Any further suggestions would be welcomed.
Thanks,
Steve.

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Sorry but I can't explain it as clear as I would because english is not my mother tongue.
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