Testing Motion Project Output to TV

I've been trying to figure this out on my own, but am having no success. I've spent so much time learning to create a project in Motion 2, I'm clueless as to how to get my finished project to play on a LCD TV.
I did a test run, sending my Motion 2 project to the compressor, then to DV studio pro. When I played the dvd my Motion project was very small and the elements of the project were not oriented on the screen like they appeared in the Canvas window within Motion. This was a test dvd using DV-NTSC settings and played on a regular 32 inch screen TV.
Ultimately what I'm trying to do is create a short documentary in Motion 2 using film footage shot with HD cassette tapes as well as digitized still images and some Motion Graphics and regular and LiveFonts created within Motion 2. I would like my project to play on a 50 inch flat panel TV with a resolution of 1080p.
I had planned to set my project presets within Motion to HD 1080i60 (I couldn't find a 1080p setting) and then I'm really not sure what to do.
If someone can walk me through this I'd be eternally grateful!
Thank you
John -

Thanks Patrick,
I dumped my plist while waiting for answer, and was coming back to post that I had cured the issue, but I will also follow your suggestion.
An addtional question if I may, I remember reading some place about the workflow for best results in using Motion for menus. re: the quality of the output.
While I have a useable file now, the quality seems a tad low, i.e. the images are fuzzy - can you you point me to the correct thread?
Thanks ever so much.
RM

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Greetings all,
I have created a very simple motion menu in Motion comprised of the following layers from the bottom up
Background - Contains a black generated background
Layer 1 - Actor 1
Layer2 - Actor2
Layer3 - Actor3
Layer4 - Title
The actors drop in from the top in a cascading method from left to right and finally title. etc.
All that works well and I have the timing I desire.
Problems:
a) No matter what compressor method I choose for a still image output to use as a guide for my overlay, I get a totally unusable artifacted pixelated image.
b) when I try to export as a QT movie to use in DVDSP or export to compressor to use as my motion menu etc. I get the same unusable terrible result.
c) I see everything perfectly on the Apple Monitor during creation and playback, however the same playback video image is trashed on the NTSC monitor, looks just like descriptions above.
What in the world am I missing?
Thanks very much!
G5 Dual 2.7 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

Thanks Patrick,
I dumped my plist while waiting for answer, and was coming back to post that I had cured the issue, but I will also follow your suggestion.
An addtional question if I may, I remember reading some place about the workflow for best results in using Motion for menus. re: the quality of the output.
While I have a useable file now, the quality seems a tad low, i.e. the images are fuzzy - can you you point me to the correct thread?
Thanks ever so much.
RM

How do you make fla file the default document to test the project?

my default document is the swf file. help me please.

You create your flash application in Flash Professional by creating new FLA file and editing it. The output (flash application) of this proces is SWF file. Which is then played by Adobe FlashPlayer.
When you test your project, the SWF file is exported and then opened by flashplayer.
FLA is your source file and you keep it on your computer for later editing.
SWF is your actual application and you deploy (copy) it on the server or wherever you intend to deploy your application.
If what you're trying to say is that you wish to debug your application, then test it not by pressing Ctrl+Enter, but Shift+Ctrl+Enter.

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Hey,
Here's the result from last night. The quicktime file is good. It seems that Motion projects in FCP, even from rendered QT files, don't display their true image.
My output this morning for my project is flawless. Even though the timeline looks horrible.
The reason this seems to come up in this forum again and again, is probably that Boris 3D, FCP's titles, even LiveType, all display their true clean rendered image in FCP. Motion, however, doesn't seem to do that.
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It just doesn't say that anywhere that I was looking.
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Whew!
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I actually don't use Motion myself, although the app is installed. As a test I opened up one of the template projects and simply saved it to the desktop. I didn't add any file extensions, but the icon on the desktop was as I expected it to be... Finder identified it correctly as well.
I imported this in to DVDSP using the import tab of the assets pane... like David there were no issues. It came in fast, and right now is showing a 'yellow' status next to its name.
It can be dragged on to a menu to set the background just as I would expect to be able to do.
If the problem isn't with the preferences, try downloading and installing the proapplication support update for your system. The 10.4 version is here:
http://www.apple.com/support/downloads/proapplicationsupport31macosx104.html
It may not make any difference, but if you haven't already installed it, you probably should!

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Hi all,
I'm working in PAL DV, and I have a credit roller saved as a Motion project, to be added to my FCP sequence.
It needs to be field-based, but I notice when I import the project the fields are in the wrong order (inverted dominance)
I've checked my FCP seq settings (standard DV PAL preset, with lower first)
and my Motion project settings (standard DV PAL preset, with lower first)
I can fix it with the "shift fields" filter or by changing the Motion project settings to Upper first, but why do I need to do this ????
Can anyone else duplicate this problem, or is my system in trouble?
cheers
Jamie
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Hi David,
Thanks for your reply.
I created test projects for FCP and Motion, and (as per my orig. post) I still have to change the Motion project to Upper to make it work correctly in FCP
You said there was a bug in Motion1 where the field setting was reversed?
I would say that is what I am experiencing in Motion2...
Jamie
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What is best way to get a high quality AVI out of a Motion project? I have tried exporting a MOV then opening in QT to convert to AVI but the quality looks horrible. ANd if I select anything other than Cinepak compression (I tired DVCPRO50 and None in compression settings) it just gives me a white screen with some garbled lines occasionally. I really need an uncompressed (or as close to it) AVI. What do you all recommend?

I will Second Scot's solution. I do a lot of .avi output for sports jumbotrons (which require .avi) and I follow his workflow.
Export to ANIMATION
Opent in QT PRO
Eport as AVA no compression
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Hello,
I've got a MacPro with MacOS X 10.5.5 and the lastest FCS2 update (so Compressor 3.0.5).
I want to use virtual cluster to speed up the rendering of Motion project because by default, only a few part of the power is used.
I've created a virtual cluster who works when i want to compress a QT file but no way to use it with Motion. The project appears in Batch Render but disappears after a few secondes...
As somebody a solution?
Thank you

Hello Patrick...I have posted a sample video of the "layer strobing" effect I was originally referring to:
http://gallery.mac.com/reelmagik1
I also just heard back from the apple store, and they claim they can't find anything wrong with the Mac Pro. I have exported this project from my macbook pro with no strobing at all. The project was even opened and exported by mounting the drive from the Mac Pro on my Macbook Pro, so there was no chance of anything being changed if I had copied the project. I argued with the repair guy from Apple for quite a while, but he could not give me a definitive answer as to what might be wrong, only that their hardware tests showed nothing wrong with the Mac Pro. He went on to suggest that it may be a software problem, maybe something went wrong with the way I installed the OS or Motion...however, he also said that they tested the project on other machines in their shop, and it also rendered incorrectly on those machines. Wouldn't that mean that their machines had bad software as well? He contradicted himself many times and I was losing my patience with him. I am not saying that their tests were wrong, but I'm sure it is possible they could have missed something. What else can I do? Is there anyone else I can contact from Apple? This computer is my main source of income and I need it to function correctly.
I have posted quite a few problems with Motion 3 on this website in the past...quite a few of which you personally responded that you had never experienced those types of problems or errors that I was having. This also leads me to believe that my problems were hardware related, specific to only my Mac Pro perhaps...
I would appreciate any suggestions that you or anyone else may have. I don't know where else to turn. I have also posted the project and media on my iDisk:
http://idisk.mac.com/viptvllc-Public?view=web
Thank you.

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i built a project in motion, and imported it in final cut pro sequence, and although my output setting in motion was ok (apple pro ress 4444, render best etc, ) i had a aliasing problem on still images, thats did not happen when i rendered before my clip from motion and imported it in FC, what is your experience.

Aliasing when rendering Motion projects in the FCP timeline comes from a mismatch between the Field Dominance of the timeline, the Field Dominance of the Motion project within the timeline, the Field Order setting in the Motion project, and/or the Field order of any media within the Motion project.
IOW, Click on your timeline, type ⌘0, check the Field Dominance. Click on the Motion Project in your timeline, type ⌘9, check the Field Dominance of the clip. Change it via the popup when ctrl/right clicking on the setting. Also, right/ctrl-click on your Motion project, select Open in Editor, check the Field Order within project properties of the Motion project and the Field Order for any media within the Motion project.
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I have various titles for a DVD prepared in Motion that are imported as project files into Final Cut Pro.
When playing back the rendered timeline in FCP to a TV, the animation on these titles (scaling and moving of text and untextured, 100% opaque rectangles) looks fine. When I render the timeline to a QuickTime (DV PAL) they still look fine on a monitor, though obviously not a great test on a progressive display.
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hi,
It probably is faster but you just dont know it yet! If you had a day free you could time the two different methods.
Of course the second workflow comes into its own when you need to make changes. Open up the motion project and tweak. The changes automatically update in FCP. yes you have to watch in fcp, but your not outputting and reimporting etc. Also you dont have to render in fcp you can simply export.
thanks
adam

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After upgrading from FCS1 to 2, I too noticed the increased render times. I've done some testing, and found a solution that will cut your render times in half. In FCP, go to either the sequence settings or user preferences/RENDER CONTROL, and under RENDER QUALITY, uncheck "always use best" and set the render quality to normal. This is a new feature in FCP 6, your choices being "draft, normal, best."
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