Text-inset cross-reference PDF bug ever fixed?

We're using FrameMaker 8.0 and Acrobat 8.1.
Has Adobe ever fixed the bug where cross-references in text insets aren't converted to valid links in PDFs? In other words, do we still need to work around that bug by using newlink / gotolink hypertext markers in text insets?

Robert:
As far as I can tell, FM8 still exhibits the undesirable behavior...
Cheers & hope this helps,
Riley

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I have some tables, where the paragraph style in the cell is called "Cell Body" (nothing odd there).
Quite a few of the cells only have one word in them, and that word is set to courier font with a character style (called "Code").
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Using two character tags in-line together (a la <hyperlink><Code>) is asking for trouble. IIRC, FM doesn't re-apply these in order on an update and depending upon how they are defined (and what is set to AsIs), the outer one usually wins. .
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Also, I have been very scrupulous to keep my character styles orthogonal so none of their AsIs's mash each other up.
But, rant over, I shall follow your splendid suggestion for a "Code Hyperlink" style.
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Also, x-ref formatting may behave differently in the new Publishing modules depending upon ....
...Depending on how badly designed and buggy this new Frame12 feature is, I should say! The Publish module should not randomly stop behaving in a WYSIWIG manner in completely undocumented fashion just because Adobe couldn't be bothered to code it properly. /sighs/
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sammy003 wrote:
How do I cross reference an object using Indesign CS4?
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* you can paste the grouped PDF and text frame object into a text frame to make it an anchored frame.
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wikiElvis wrote:
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Product: FrameMaker
Version: 7.2
Platform information:Windows XP
Hardware: Dell Latitude D620
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RAM: 1GB

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7. Pick the paratag type that contains the Setup section title (heading 4 ?).
8. In the right-hand column you should then see all of the heading 4 tags in Chapter 1.
9. Select the Setup in this column.
10. Check that the Format line shows the one that you created earlier ("More Info in Chapter Section") and then click on the Insert button.
You're done.
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DxCooper (not your real name, I guess),
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