Text Problem in 3D PDFs

Hi all,
i have been working with 3D PDFs for a while now.
i am working on buildings that have area tags placed in them in my CAD software (Bentley Architecture). the files are exported as U3D than placed into Acrobat
most of the time the text will come through perfect without any problems but on an odd ocasion the text will appear as below
as can be seen it is as if the text is missing reference points.
has anyone else came across this problem if so how did you fix it.
one thought i had was that Adobe might have a vertix limit.
these files im working with can contain alot of information and objects such as walls, floors, lines etc
regards

When you export to U3D, it looks like you're choosing an optimization/compression setting that combines nearby vertices. It's nothing to do with the PDF file, as Acrobat makes absolutely no changes to the U3D file when it embeds the annotation. Vertex counts in 3D PDF files can be into the millions, though eventually you'll run out of RAM and the scene will be too unresponsive to be usable.

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