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• Getting help with the new forum software

  Searching for some help I located the Jive 6.0 community user help and thought I could share this information.
  http://docs.jivesoftware.com/jive/6.0/community_user/index.jsp
  It provides explanations and examples and seems to be useful.
  For instance, what does threaded and flat mean in the Profile preferences?
  Type "flat view" in the search field to get the answer.
  How to use the editor?
  Search for "content editor".
  etc, etc.

  Thanks, Dude for this.
  Just in addition, from a previous discussion it has been said this new forum runs on Jive 5.0.5.
  And you can actually check it out, open the source code of the current page, you'll see a lot of 5.0.5 references, such as
  window._jive_resource_url = prepareUrl("/5.0.5/")
  kjs.load('/5.0.5/resources/scripts/gen/8955a433291e9fdcf40ae92adce79aae.js', [ ]);
  <link rel="stylesheet" href="/5.0.5/styles/jive.css" type="text/css" media="all" />
     <link rel="stylesheet" href="/5.0.5/styles/jive-icons.css" type="text/css" media="all" />
  etc.
  Nicolas.

• Love the new forums... but

  love the new forums... but hate the performance.  Keep in mind my internet connection is 20MB/S download speed, there are times the pages wont even finish loading and you have to stop and reload again and/or very slow loading times.  Of course, there are times the performance is as expected, but rarely.  I hope Adobe plans to support the forums with better hosting.

  jon@cmiwebstudio wrote:
  love the new forums... but hate the performance.  Keep in mind my internet connection is 20MB/S download speed, there are times the pages wont even finish loading and you have to stop and reload again and/or very slow loading times.  Of course, there are times the performance is as expected, but rarely.  I hope Adobe plans to support the forums with better hosting.
  As an od adage says: "Don't feel like the Lone Ranger".
  which means everyone and his , brother, sister, Aunts, Uncles, mothers's and Father, and cousins on the Acrobat forums are complaing about the Speed.
  There is really we as Users of the Forums can do about it other than complain and hope adobe will do something about it when they get finished with their easter holiday. Maybe that will be before their 4th of July vacation.

• The new forum software

  Folks,
  Lets take a vote. Do you just love (10) or utterly despise (-10) the new forum software?
  -8
  Against
  1. It's kitchy.
  2. It's buggy.
  3. Source code is HARDER to read than ever.
  4. They should have adopted wiki markup.
  For
  Ummm. RTF is kinda cute, I suppose.

  i like the look and feel, but i have to agree that the speed is not wonderful.
  of course i have a lot more tolerance for slow these days, since i became
  a full time DBA and some of our runs literally take days.

• Who the Hell wrote this crappy forum software?

  Ya, I knowm it says Jive.
  This forum refuses to work with Opera, either for Windblows or Solaris 10 x86 Unix.  This area for entering the post does not show up.
  I had to start Exploder and I HATE Exploder.
  What is even more stupid is the catch-22 in that the forum software is used for the feedback.  If the forum is broken, how the Hell is someone supposed to be able to let anyone know that it is broken.
  If Adobe wants great forum software, they should use what AVSForum uses.  It works with any and all browsers.

  dave milbut wrote:
  it's not the tools, it's the carpenters.
  Oh, it's the tools too, people just like to make excuses for and rationalize for "cool" stuff.  If it's simple AJAX and DHTML without too much crazy going on (i.e. not these forums), you might get away okay on a web site.  I'm not opposed to it on a website as long as it always works...
  I'm speaking mostly from an RIA (rich internet application) use case, which gets much more complicated than a stupid website.  A 'forum' like this blurs the distinction a bit, especially when they try to do the crap they're attempting in this jiveware.  AJAX isn't well suited for creating real RIAs, for sure.  (Here comes the AJAX fanboys to dispute...)  Once people realize that these 'frameworks' they're using (because they've already discovered that using AJAX/DHTML/DOM crap themselves sucks @$$) don't address the need to test, update, re-build, re-deploy, and test your "AJAX application" (it's like saying ".bat application") EVERY single time you have a new version of a browser come out--or a new type of browser entirely--perhaps they'll start to realize what the hidden cost of such muppetry is going to be over time.  (And I can't wait for the browser wars to heat up even more again.) 
  Of course you could just "hope" that most of your users browsers will continue to work correctly (maybe almost 100% even will! lol), without testing and updating if needed, but then you get Jiveware.
  Don't get me wrong, with Jiveware, it's most certainly the carpenters more so than anything.  It may even be possible to develop decent 'forum' software using AJAX hacks (sparingly), since a "forum" is arguably not such a complex application.  (They are however more complex than most people imagine.)  But crap tools tend to bring out the fail in the term "incompetent failure jiveware scripter".   Crap tools reveal the difference between someone who doesn't know what they're doing at all (jiveware jives), and someone who actually does have some idea of what they're doing more clearly than good tools do.

• Suggestion for new Forum - Software Quality Assurance & Testing

  Hi - I'm active in ASUG and a SIG Chair for Software Quality Assurance SIG.  I'm new to SDN and looked around a bit for where topics related to Software QA, Testing, Test tools & methodologies, etc. would be posted and discussed.  I haven't found any relevant forums.  A couple postings on SAP TAO (test tool) landed in the Solution Manager forum... looks like they were searching for a relevant home too.
  We have good content and discussions on these topics on asug.com and I'd like to facilitate bringing some of these topics to the larger SDN community.  I started a blog, we sponsor webinars, etc.  What would you think of having a forum on SDN called Software Quality Assurance & Testing?  Or are there other suggestions for where I would start discussing this?  Maybe the forum's out there already but I just can't find it?
  Thanks!

  Count me in!
  Currently the security aspects of good software development don't have a real home either, and are distributed over SCN in a rather thin and adhoc fasion by a few folks.
  I am sure that such a forum would attract a lot of new attention to SCN on the customer side, as it is important for them.
  It would also be irrefutable that the SCN Rules of Engagement are applied strictly to such a forum
  Cheers and good idea!
  Julius

• Watches made useless with this new forum updates

  My watches are not sorted by date inaymore and since I cannot see all my 112 watches
  in one page I never know if one of my watches has new posts in there.
  This is quite a useless system, before the watches were ordered by date of last post so
  you'd know the top one's had some responses.
  How do any of you use the watches?? (not turning on the email notification).

  Sorry for posting this in the wrong forum people.
  Anyway thanks for replying and I still think not having the watches sorted on date last
  posted is losing a lot of functionality.
  I remember a while ago when I still used the search option on this site to search for java
  related things there was no option in the gui to sort by date but adding a querystring
  value in the url showed it was possible to do so, the gui guy just forgot about it.
  Now I just go to google and type site:sun.com harmmeijer "something I look for" to find
  my own posts.....

• My PROs And CONs Opinion of This New Forum

  Hello,
  Since I've only been a member for a short time; my exposure has been limited; however, my opinions follow:
  PROs
  This forum has excellent support from "volunteer moderators" and Lenovo Staff. They are literally "all over the place" trying to assist in any way they can.
  I like the forum layout; in that, it is categorized by "machine types" rather than desktop, laptop, hardware, software, audio, etc.
  CONs
  Some of the threads have grown to such an enormous size (I saw one with 517 replies) they have become almost useless. These enormous threads signal one of two things in my opinion. First, either the problem, presented by the original poster, has existed for quite some time without resolution and many keep reporting the same problem or the thread has just become a "me too" dumping ground. In any event, I would recommend that this forum's support group get together and evaluate the pros and cons of keeping super-large threads open for continued response by members of the community.
  BTW, I'm marking this thread as an accepted solution because it is my opinion.
  Best regards,
  pagroundhog
  Solved!
  Go to Solution.

  See above for my opinions ...

• The new version of firefox, which installed WITHOUT my approval, FORCED an update to Adobe Flash. This new Flash plugin crashes over and over and over - to the point that I cannot use firefox anymore. This is one very angry customer. Argh.

  firefox installed update without approval. big NO NO.
  firefox forced update of adobe flash. I hate this crap.
  firefox + new flash = totally unstable.
  crash after crash after crash - cannot use.
  customer angry.
  very angry.
  argh.

  '''I fixed mine by removing the Ask.com extension.'''
  Tools
  Add-ons
  Settings icon
  View Recent Updates
  Ask.com '''DISABLE'''
  Running FF 8.0 on Windows 7 (64-bit)

• I'm confused by this new forum layout...

  before the forum layout changed i could search within the photoshop forum for all the questions i had. now everytime i want to do a search i have to continually choose from that dropdown menu from the list of all the forums. the space to find the application you are looking for is tiny so its hard to find photoshop amongst all the others. is there a way of staying within the photoshop forum for multiple searches? i can't understand why they would change this basic function. chances are if you are in photoshop forum you want to search for issues in photoshop forum. am i missing  a "search within photoshop forum" link somewhere??

  I guess you missed the memo that this is an improvement.

• I Love this new iPhoto!

  I just want to put in my 2 cents worth that I upgraded on my iMac G5 and my TiBook 667, and I really like the new features. The new music clips are great. The scrolling is nice (moreso in the G5 than the TiBook), and the full screen mode is awesome (especially on the 20" G5),
  I also like the new red eye feature, way simpler, and the navigation with the full screen edit mode is great.
  My kids are going nuts with the iWeb app also. The way it seamlessly integrates with iPhoto is terrific. I think Apple hit it right with this one.
  YMMV,
  Boris

  I'm using the iPhoto version included with iLife 08, and the location information (if included when the photos is captured) is not shown with iPhoto.
  If I export the photo and open/view the photo with the Preview App, at the menu bar selecting Tools > Inspector, the GPS info is provided under the More Info tab below GPS.

• Why Is Search so Poor in this new BC Forum?

  Searching this new BC forum for "shipping address" returns exactly one article in done with quotes, and three articles without quotes.
  If you search the old BC forum on BusinessCatalyst.com for "shipping address" it returns more than 100 articles.
  Why is the searching so poor on this new forum?
  Has all the old content been migrated from old forum to new?

  Thats why though if you look at the BC forums compared to the other Adobe Forums Lynda this is a lot better layed out with extra navigation links, useful links and sticky items and well made documents and a already big FAQ Section
  Nothing is ever perfect but these are way better then the last lot and like Mario said. Once this starts populating more things like Search will return better results.
  But like Mario said, the quick search bits has been noted, I think Mario is looking/pressing on further improvements to that if possible.

• Forum software 'upgrade'

  This has to be the most useless forum 'upgrade' that Adobe have ever managed. Heaven only knows how we're supposed to keep track of anything at all now... and yes I have complained about it in the correct place - and I'm not the only one, by any means. What on EARTH were they playing at?

  SteveG(AudioMasters) wrote:
  emmrecs wrote:
  Whilst we're discussing this "marvellous new forum software", has anyone else experienced the "feature" that their "real" name is now displayed as the author of a post even if their "screen" name is still retained in their profile?
  Yes - but that's only for you, just in case you've forgotten who you are... Everybody else sees your screen name.
  Bob Howes wrote:
  Some of the criticisms of your new software are things that are just a pain in the posterior.  This one should be a deal breaker because it makes these forums totally useless for their purpose.  Give this JIVE rubbish the push and buy a proper forum software like vBulletin or Invision based on php.  This is just making Adobe look completely and utterly clueless.
  Quite. What Adobe simply don't get is what people actually want and need from the forums in the vast majority of instances. People aren't looking for a social interaction site like Facebook, where you have to 'follow' people and 'like' what they say (noticed the 'like' buttons here now?). They simply want somewhere where they can ask a question and get an answer. This means that the questions, and the responses, have to be transparent - and the reply history has to be visible.
  What this means is that Jive is completely irrelevant as a 'solution'. Even as social software, this sucks. So why are Adobe persisting with this rubbish - unless there's some sort of a shady back-door arrangement going on????
  Thanks Steve!
  And yes, I wholeheartedly agree with what you write above!  Unfortunately, this "connected" world seems to be what big organisations believe their users/customers/clients need/want/can't possibly manage without!

• Spell Check in New Forums- How The Heck does it work?

  Can somebody please tell me how the spell check works in this new forum format? I click on the abc icon and it does nothing. I do a two finger click on a word that is misspelled and it give me Insert Options. I really like the new format but hate the spell check. Can anyone offer advise? Thanks.

  The built-in ASC spell checker is -- to put it kindly -- quirky. First, you must turn it on using the 'abc' tool on the right in the editor toolbar. (When it's on, it highlights.) But it won't stay turned on if you click on the tool before you enter any text -- it will just tell you that no misspellings were found & won't stay on. It also sometimes fails to check the last word if followed by a space. You can tell it to ignore misspellings, but you can't tell it to learn words because the spell-checking dictionary is actually on the servers running the site, not on your Mac or PC.
  But from your remarks, you probably aren't even using the built-in checker. Instead, I suspect you are trying to use the far superior system-wide one built into OS X. The problem with that is the ASC editing tools are powered by Javascript supplied by the Jive SBS software running the site. Because that is platform independent it doesn't know anything about OS X's contextual menu (which includes suggestions for misspellings, the Dictionary lookup, & so on).
  So to make a long story short, what happens when you try to right click on a word the OS X checker has underlined in red, instead you get the Javascript's response to a right click, which brings up the editor's insert/alignment popup menu instead of the OS X contextual menu.
  The solution is to control click on the word -- believe it or not, within the ASC editor window a right click & a control click are not the same thing! You literally have to hold down the control key on the keyboard when you click to bypass the Javascript's right click response.
  To make things that much more confusing, this only applies if the pointer is not over empty space in the editor window, which in this case excludes lines that have any text on them, including invisible text like spaces or returns. (To see what I mean, drag the tab at the bottom right of the editor window down so there is a lot of empty space below what you have typed. In this empty area, right & control clicks both bring up the OS X contextual menu, but anywhere in the text you have typed, they behave differently.)
  In short, the problem is not that Apple has changed how the buttons or clicks work, it is that the new software that runs the site (not developed by Apple) does.
  Hope this helps.

• New forum not very user friendly (to me anyway!)

  I may be missing the obvious.  If anyone can post some pointer on how to use this new forum, I'd be greatful.  Issues I have are:
  1)  I can't seem to tell which threads have new posts since my last visit.  Some say "updated" after the title, but some which should be updated according to when the last post was don't say so, and vice versa.
  2)  Is there a way to get directly to the unread posts without having to go through the thread from the top?
  3)  Is there a way to navigate to other posts without having to return to the top of the thread?
  These are just a few problems I'm having so far.  Any help would be greatly appreciated.
  Thanks,
  Mike

  the only thing I found remotely better, was the ability to upload jpg and screenshots... but the rest leaves a lot to be desired.
  For example, when scrolling through the 50 or so posts on one page -> Then you press next -> next -> next page until you're at page 19... and find a post that seems exciting at the headline, you click it, and read it and find that "naaah, it wasn't about what I thought it was..." then you go back...
  and voila!
  You end up at page one again!!!!! Havin to klick - perhaps - 19 times next until you get to the next page, if you hade the abilitly to remember on what page that last post where... I mean, c'mon. Adobe.... ?! This huge giant have such lame forum technology?