The Correct Space Between You And Your Monitors

Something that always crossed my mind was the space between your monitors and where you are seated. How far exactly are you supposed to be positioned from your speakers in order to read and hear correctly. Most producers would comment that people produce in all types of environments, headphone close rang monitors, far range monitors. But what exactly is the ideal space between you and your speakers? To look into this issued even more closely each speaker is designed differently, there for you cannot look at them all equal as far as performance is concerned.
How far are you away from your speakers?

dude it depends what you want
I got mine at about 1-meter to 1.5-meters at my home studio
at the big studio i've got two pairs of monitors in there and they both 1.5 meters
other people will go as far as 3-meters, in your case get abit closer as you said before that your room is not acoustically treated there for sitting too far away will give you a mix of 50% of the speakers and 50% of the room
but you need 80% of the speakers and 20% of the room
ps: don't just leave this topic alone and start another one, because its annoying when people don't if you've been help or not and they keep trying to help you
and people also don't know if you are reading your post or your just using it as an amusement forum just for fun on your lunch breaks
so please reply back and let people know if they've helped
stash

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    SQL*Net message to client     14,600     0     0     0     10.04     0.00
    enq: HW - contention     96     0     0     0     0.07     0.00
    CSS operation: action     8     0     0     4     0.01     0.00
    gc cr block busy     33     0     0     1     0.02     0.00
    latch free     30     0     0     1     0.02     0.00
    enq: TM - contention     49     6     0     0     0.03     0.00
    enq: JQ - contention     19     100     0     1     0.01     0.00
    SQL*Net more data to client     666     0     0     0     0.46     0.00
    asynch descriptor resize     3,179     100     0     0     2.19     0.00
    latch: shared pool     3     0     0     3     0.00     0.00
    CSS operation: query     24     0     0     0     0.02     0.00
    PX Deq: Signal ACK EXT     72     0     0     0     0.05     0.00
    KJC: Wait for msg sends to complete     269     0     0     0     0.19     0.00
    latch: object queue header operation     4     0     0     1     0.00     0.00
    gc cr block congested     5     0     0     0     0.00     0.00
    utl_file I/O     11     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    enq: TO - contention     3     33     0     0     0.00     0.00
    SQL*Net message from client     14,600     0     219,478     15033     10.04     
    jobq slave wait     7,726     100     3,856     499     5.31     
    PX Deq: Execution Msg     10,556     19     50     5     7.26     
    PX Deq: Execute Reply     2,946     31     27     9     2.03     
    PX Deq: Parse Reply     3,157     35     3     1     2.17     
    PX Deq: Join ACK     2,976     28     2     1     2.05     
    PX Deq Credit: send blkd     7     14     0     4     0.00     
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    Background Wait Events
    * ordered by wait time desc, waits desc (idle events last)
    * Only events with Total Wait Time (s) >= .001 are shown
    * %Timeouts: value of 0 indicates value was < .5%. Value of null is truly 0
    Event     Waits     %Time -outs     Total Wait Time (s)     Avg wait (ms)     Waits /txn     % bg time
    os thread startup     140     0     13     90     0.10     10.35
    db file parallel write     8,233     0     6     1     5.66     5.08
    log file parallel write     3,906     0     6     1     2.69     4.62
    log file sequential read     350     0     5     16     0.24     4.49
    control file sequential read     13,737     0     5     0     9.45     3.72
    DFS lock handle     2,990     27     2     1     2.06     1.43
    db file sequential read     921     0     2     2     0.63     1.39
    SQL*Net break/reset to client     18     0     1     81     0.01     1.19
    control file parallel write     2,455     0     1     1     1.69     1.12
    ges lms sync during dynamic remastering and reconfig     24     100     1     50     0.02     0.98
    library cache load lock     35     0     1     24     0.02     0.68
    ASM file metadata operation     3,483     0     1     0     2.40     0.65
    enq: CO - master slave det     1,203     100     1     0     0.83     0.46
    kjbdrmcvtq lmon drm quiesce: ping completion     9     0     1     62     0.01     0.46
    enq: WF - contention     11     0     0     35     0.01     0.31
    CGS wait for IPC msg     32,702     100     0     0     22.49     0.19
    gc object scan     28,788     100     0     0     19.80     0.15
    row cache lock     535     0     0     0     0.37     0.14
    library cache pin     370     55     0     0     0.25     0.12
    ksxr poll remote instances     19,119     100     0     0     13.15     0.11
    name-service call wait     6     0     0     19     0.00     0.10
    gc current block 2-way     304     0     0     0     0.21     0.09
    gc cr block 2-way     267     0     0     0     0.18     0.08
    gc cr grant 2-way     355     0     0     0     0.24     0.08
    ges LMON to get to FTDONE     3     100     0     24     0.00     0.06
    enq: CF - contention     145     76     0     0     0.10     0.05
    PX Deq: reap credit     8,842     100     0     0     6.08     0.05
    reliable message     126     0     0     0     0.09     0.05
    db file scattered read     19     0     0     3     0.01     0.05
    library cache lock     162     1     0     0     0.11     0.04
    latch: shared pool     2     0     0     27     0.00     0.04
    Disk file operations I/O     504     0     0     0     0.35     0.04
    gc current grant busy     148     0     0     0     0.10     0.04
    gcs log flush sync     84     0     0     1     0.06     0.04
    ges message buffer allocation     24,934     0     0     0     17.15     0.02
    enq: CR - block range reuse ckpt     83     0     0     0     0.06     0.02
    latch free     22     0     0     1     0.02     0.02
    CSS operation: action     13     0     0     2     0.01     0.02
    CSS initialization     4     0     0     6     0.00     0.02
    direct path read     1     0     0     21     0.00     0.02
    rdbms ipc reply     153     0     0     0     0.11     0.01
    db file parallel read     2     0     0     8     0.00     0.01
    direct path write     5     0     0     3     0.00     0.01
    gc current multi block request     49     0     0     0     0.03     0.01
    gc current block busy     5     0     0     2     0.00     0.01
    enq: PS - contention     24     50     0     0     0.02     0.01
    gc cr multi block request     54     0     0     0     0.04     0.01
    ges generic event     1     100     0     10     0.00     0.01
    gc current grant 2-way     35     0     0     0     0.02     0.01
    kfk: async disk IO     183     0     0     0     0.13     0.01
    Log archive I/O     3     0     0     2     0.00     0.01
    gc buffer busy acquire     2     0     0     3     0.00     0.00
    LGWR wait for redo copy     123     0     0     0     0.08     0.00
    IPC send completion sync     18     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    enq: TA - contention     11     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    read by other session     2     0     0     2     0.00     0.00
    enq: TM - contention     9     89     0     0     0.01     0.00
    latch: ges resource hash list     135     0     0     0     0.09     0.00
    PX Deq: Slave Session Stats     12     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    KJC: Wait for msg sends to complete     89     0     0     0     0.06     0.00
    enq: TD - KTF dump entries     8     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    enq: US - contention     7     0     0     0     0.00     0.00
    CSS operation: query     12     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    enq: TK - Auto Task Serialization     6     100     0     0     0.00     0.00
    PX Deq: Signal ACK RSG     24     50     0     0     0.02     0.00
    log file single write     6     0     0     0     0.00     0.00
    enq: WL - contention     2     100     0     1     0.00     0.00
    ADR block file read     13     0     0     0     0.01     0.00
    ADR block file write     5     0     0     0     0.00     0.00
    latch: object queue header operation     1     0     0     1     0.00     0.00
    gc cr block busy     1     0     0     1     0.00     0.00
    rdbms ipc message     103,276     67     126,259     1223     71.03     
    PX Idle Wait     6,467     67     12,719     1967     4.45     
    wait for unread message on broadcast channel     7,240     100     7,221     997     4.98     
    gcs remote message     218,809     84     7,213     33     150.49     
    DIAG idle wait     203,228     95     7,185     35     139.77     
    shared server idle wait     121     100     3,630     30000     0.08     
    ASM background timer     3,343     0     3,611     1080     2.30     
    Space Manager: slave idle wait     723     100     3,610     4993     0.50     
    heartbeat monitor sleep     722     100     3,610     5000     0.50     
    ges remote message     73,089     52     3,609     49     50.27     
    dispatcher timer     66     88     3,608     54660     0.05     
    pmon timer     1,474     82     3,607     2447     1.01     
    PING     1,487     19     3,607     2426     1.02     
    Streams AQ: qmn slave idle wait     125     0     3,594     28754     0.09     
    Streams AQ: qmn coordinator idle wait     250     50     3,594     14377     0.17     
    smon timer     18     50     3,505     194740     0.01     
    JOX Jit Process Sleep     73     100     976     13370     0.05     
    class slave wait     56     0     605     10806     0.04     
    KSV master wait     2,215     98     1     0     1.52     
    SQL*Net message from client     109     0     0     2     0.07     
    PX Deq: Parse Reply     27     44     0     1     0.02     
    PX Deq: Join ACK     30     40     0     1     0.02     
    PX Deq: Execute Reply     20     30     0     0     0.01     
    Streams AQ: RAC qmn coordinator idle wait     259     100     0     0     0.18     
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    Wait Event Histogram
    * Units for Total Waits column: K is 1000, M is 1000000, G is 1000000000
    * % of Waits: value of .0 indicates value was <.05%; value of null is truly 0
    * % of Waits: column heading of <=1s is truly <1024ms, >1s is truly >=1024ms
    * Ordered by Event (idle events last)
              % of Waits
    Event     Total Waits     <1ms     <2ms     <4ms     <8ms     <16ms     <32ms     <=1s     >1s
    ADR block file read     13     100.0                                   
    ADR block file write     5     100.0                                   
    ADR file lock     6     100.0                                   
    ARCH wait for archivelog lock     3     100.0                                   
    ASM file metadata operation     3483     99.6     .1     .1                    .2     
    CGS wait for IPC msg     32.7K     100.0                                   
    CSS initialization     12     50.0                    50.0               
    CSS operation: action     21     28.6     9.5          61.9                    
    CSS operation: query     36     86.1     5.6     8.3                         
    DFS lock handle     6198     98.6     1.2     .1                    .1     
    Disk file operations I/O     909     95.7     3.6     .7                         
    IPC send completion sync     5469     99.9     .1     .0     .0                    
    KJC: Wait for msg sends to complete     313     100.0                                   
    LGWR wait for redo copy     122     100.0                                   
    Log archive I/O     3     66.7               33.3                    
    OJVM: Generic     36     55.6                              44.4     
    PX Deq: Signal ACK EXT     72     98.6     1.4                              
    PX Deq: Signal ACK RSG     2070     99.7               .0     .1     .0     .1     
    PX Deq: Slave Session Stats     2673     99.7     .2                         .1     .0
    PX Deq: reap credit     44.7K     100.0                                   
    SQL*Net break/reset to client     20     95.0                                   5.0
    SQL*Net message to client     14.7K     100.0                                   
    SQL*Net more data from client     32     100.0                                   
    SQL*Net more data to client     689     100.0                                   
    asynch descriptor resize     3387     100.0                                   
    buffer busy waits     2     100.0                                   
    control file parallel write     2455     96.6     2.2     .6     .6          .1          
    control file sequential read     36K     99.4     .3     .1     .1     .1     .1     .0     
    db file parallel read     397     8.8     .8     5.5     12.6     17.4     46.3     8.6     
    db file parallel write     8233     85.4     10.3     2.3     1.4     .4     .1          
    db file scattered read     26.3K     79.2     1.5     8.2     10.5     .6     .1     .0     
    db file sequential read     28.4K     60.2     3.3     18.0     18.1     .3     .1     .0     
    db file single write     2     100.0                                   
    direct path read     2     50.0                         50.0          
    direct path read temp     1722     95.8     2.8     .1     .5     .8     .1          
    direct path write     6     83.3                    16.7               
    direct path write temp     4842     96.3     2.7     .5     .2     .0     .0     .2     
    enq: AF - task serialization     1     100.0                                   
    enq: CF - contention     145     99.3     .7                              
    enq: CO - master slave det     1203     98.9     .8     .2                         
    enq: CR - block range reuse ckpt     83     100.0                                   
    enq: DR - contention     2     100.0                                   
    enq: FB - contention     131     100.0                                   
    enq: HW - contention     97     100.0                                   
    enq: JQ - contention     19     89.5     10.5                              
    enq: JS - job run lock - synchronize     3     100.0                                   
    enq: MD - contention     1     100.0                                   
    enq: MW - contention     2     100.0                                   
    enq: PS - contention     3207     99.5     .4     .1                         
    enq: TA - contention     11     100.0                                   
    enq: TD - KTF dump entries     8     100.0                                   
    enq: TK - Auto Task Serialization     6     100.0                                   
    enq: TM - contention     58     100.0                                   
    enq: TO - contention     3     100.0                                   
    enq: TQ - DDL contention     1     100.0                                   
    enq: TS - contention     1     100.0                                   
    enq: UL - contention     1     100.0                                   
    enq: US - contention     7     100.0                                   
    enq: WF - contention     11     81.8                              18.2     
    enq: WL - contention     2     50.0     50.0                              
    gc buffer busy acquire     2     50.0               50.0                    
    gc cr block 2-way     4934     99.9     .1                    .0     .0     
    gc cr block busy     35     68.6     31.4                              
    gc cr block congested     6     100.0                                   
    gc cr disk read     2     100.0                                   
    gc cr grant 2-way     4824     100.0     .0                              
    gc cr grant congested     2     100.0                                   
    gc cr multi block request     37.1K     99.8     .2     .0     .0     .0     .0     .0     
    gc current block 2-way     2134     99.9     .0                         .0     
    gc current block busy     7     14.3     14.3          14.3          28.6     28.6     
    gc current block congested     2     100.0                                   
    gc current grant 2-way     1337     99.9     .1                              
    gc current grant busy     7123     99.2     .2     .2     .0     .0     .3     .1     
    gc current grant congested     2     100.0                                   
    gc current multi block request     1260     99.8     .2                              
    gc object scan     28.8K     100.0                                   
    gcs log flush sync     65     95.4          3.1     1.5                    
    ges LMON to get to FTDONE     3                              100.0          
    ges generic event     1                         100.0               
    ges inquiry response     2     100.0                                   
    ges lms sync during dynamic remastering and reconfig     24                         16.7     29.2     54.2     
    ges message buffer allocation     63.1K     100.0                                   
    kfk: async disk IO     23.3K     100.0     .0     .0                         
    kjbdrmcvtq lmon drm quiesce: ping completion     9     11.1                              88.9     
    ksxr poll remote instances     19.1K     100.0                                   
    latch free     52     59.6     40.4                              
    latch: call allocation     2     100.0                                   
    latch: gc element     1     100.0                                   
    latch: gcs resource hash     1     100.0                                   
    latch: ges resource hash list     135     100.0                                   
    latch: object queue header operation     5     40.0     40.0     20.0                         
    latch: shared pool     5     40.0                    20.0     20.0     20.0     
    library cache load lock     74     9.5     5.4     8.1     17.6     10.8     13.5     35.1     
    library cache lock     493     99.2     .4     .4                         
    library cache pin     1186     98.4     .3     1.2     .1                    
    library cache: mutex X     6     100.0                                   
    log file parallel write     3897     72.9     1.5     17.1     7.5     .6     .3     .1     
    log file sequential read     350     4.6               3.1     59.4     30.0     2.9     
    log file single write     6     100.0                                   
    log file switch completion     3                         33.3          66.7     
    log file sync     385     90.4     3.6     4.7     .8     .5               
    name-service call wait     18          5.6     5.6     5.6     16.7     44.4     22.2     
    os thread startup     146                                   100.0     
    rdbms ipc reply     3763     99.7     .3                              
    read by other session     2     50.0          50.0                         
    reliable message     4565     99.7     .2     .0               .0     .1     
    row cache lock     2334     99.3     .2     .1                    .1     .3
    undo segment extension     8     50.0                    37.5     12.5          
    utl_file I/O     11     100.0                                   
    ASM background timer     3343     57.0     .3     .1     .1     .1          21.1     21.4
    DIAG idle wait     203.2K     3.4     .2     .4     18.0     41.4     14.8     21.8     
    JOX Jit Process Sleep     73                                   2.7     97.3
    KSV master wait     2213     99.4     .1     .2                    .3     
    PING     1487     81.0                                   19.0
    PX Deq Credit: send blkd     7     57.1          14.3     14.3          14.3          
    PX Deq: Execute Reply     2966     59.8     .8     9.5     5.6     10.2     2.6     11.4     
    PX Deq: Execution Msg     10.6K     72.4     12.1     2.6     2.5     .1     5.6     4.6     .0
    PX Deq: Join ACK     3006     77.9     22.1     .1                         
    PX Deq: Parse Reply     3184     67.1     31.1     1.6     .2                    
    PX Idle Wait     6466     .2     8.7     4.3     4.8     .3     .1     5.0     76.6
    SQL*Net message from client     14.7K     72.4     2.8     .8     .5     .9     .4     2.8     19.3
    Space Manager: slave idle wait     722                                        100.0
    Streams AQ: RAC qmn coordinator idle wait     259     100.0                                   
    Streams AQ: qmn coordinator idle wait     250     50.0                                   50.0
    Streams AQ: qmn slave idle wait     125                                        100.0
    class slave wait     55     67.3          7.3     1.8     5.5     1.8     7.3     9.1
    dispatcher timer     66     6.1                                   93.9
    gcs remote message     218.6K     7.7     1.8     1.2     1.6     1.7     15.7     70.3     
    ges remote message     72.9K     29.7     5.1     2.7     2.2     1.5     4.0     54.7     
    heartbeat monitor sleep     722                                        100.0
    jobq slave wait     7725                    .1          .0     99.9     
    pmon timer     1474     18.4                                   81.6
    rdbms ipc message     103.3K     20.7     2.7     1.5     1.3     .9     .7     40.7     31.6
    shared server idle wait     121                                        100.0
    smon timer     18                                        100.0
    wait for unread message on broadcast channel     7238                         .3          99.7     
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    Wait Event Histogram Detail (64 msec to 2 sec)
    * Units for Total Waits column: K is 1000, M is 1000000, G is 1000000000
    * Units for % of Total Waits: ms is milliseconds s is 1024 milliseconds (approximately 1 second)
    * % of Total Waits: total waits for all wait classes, including Idle
    * % of Total Waits: value of .0 indicates value was <.05%; value of null is truly 0
    * Ordered by Event (only non-idle events are displayed)
              % of Total Waits
    Event     Waits 64ms to 2s     <32ms     <64ms     <1/8s     <1/4s     <1/2s     <1s     <2s     >=2s
    ASM file metadata operation     6     99.8          .1     .1                    
    DFS lock handle     6     99.9               .1     .0               
    OJVM: Generic     16     55.6               2.8          41.7          
    PX Deq: Signal ACK RSG     3     99.9     .0     .1                         
    PX Deq: Slave Session Stats     3     99.9          .0               .0     .0     
    SQL*Net break/reset to client     1     95.0                              5.0     
    control file sequential read     1     100.0          .0                         
    db file parallel read     34     91.4     8.6                              
    db file scattered read     4     100.0     .0          .0                    
    db file sequential read     6     100.0     .0     .0     .0                    
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