The mystery of 5800 and WiFi

My previous phone was a Nokia 6110 Navigator. I was satisfied with it but WifI became necessary. I decided to buy a Nokia 5800 Xpress Music. Everything seems fine, except the WiFi.
At home my 2 computers and other smartphones can see several WiFi in the neighborhood, but the 5800 only see few of them. In particular with my private WiFi, only sometimes the 5800 can see discover it. Which seems weird it is that the 5800 can see the Wifi at night, but during the morning it is quite impossible!!! I tried several times to discover networks, and after hundreds of trials, 5800 finally detects my private Wifi and the other missing networks in the neighborhood!
I tried several things: soft reset, hard reset, firmware update, router reset (DLink), closer to the router, far from the router, advanced setting in the wireless configuration... whatever.
The last option is to return the Nokia to the shop (since it is in the 30 days). Maybe exchange by a HTC or something similar.
Any suggestion??

For starters the WIFI on your phone is obviously gonna be much weaker and less range then your PC's , as for not detecting them at night it hink its as mentioned above just too much interference during the day...
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