Thinking of switching to DVDSP from iDVD

Hi All,
I'm thinking of switching to DVDSP from iDVD but £900 is an awful lot of money for one app. I already use Final Cut Pro 4.5 so the benefit for the upgrade would be almost entirely to switch to DVDSP.
I like the themes in iDVD and generally it works OK but I'd like a little more control over my DVD's and I'm tired of using freeware apps to complete my workflow (like Anamorphicizer and MPEG streamclip). The 16:9 pan and scan issues with iDVD bug me but I just feel that £900 to "work around" Apple's issues is a bit steep. Especially as there's no other option (like an express version or even a standalone package). There's no solution available to existing owners of FCP or FCE.
Anyway I guess my question is, are there any real great enhancements or benefits that I'd get over and above iDVD - I understand that DVDSP is a much more advanced application but in theory I'm only using a fraction of it's power to create home movies?
Any feedback from people who've switched from iDVD to DVDSP (or anyone come to that) would be much appreciated.
Thanks all.
David.
PowerMac G4 Dual 1.25Ghz / 1GB RAM   Mac OS X (10.4.6)   PowerBook 12" 1Ghz / 768MB RAM

Check out
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=2215884&#2215884
Most importanly you can get the whole FCP Suite I beleive via upgrade for £139/199 from FCP 4.5 http://www.apple.com/uk/universal/crossgrade/
Each of the elements alone are probably worth the plunge (Motion 2, Soundtrack Pro, DVD SP 4 and FCP 5, the FCP 5 upgrade is nice)

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