Third party gratis order and cost centre allocation

Hi all
I have a problem with third party sales. When the sales order is gratis, the cost centre allocation is determined by our gratis order reason. This particular cost centre is locked for invoice receipt posting (as it is gratis), and so we cannot complete the 3rd party process.
Is there any way around this - I can see in the IMG that you can create requirement classes for costing but I cannot see where you assign these requirements to items.
Also, I am not sure about the implications of removing the lock on invoice receipt postings.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Jon

Please chck with FICO team wether the cost center is loocked for same ?
Points if helpfull
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