Third party router signal loss?

I have an iMac G5 and connect wirelessy to the internet with a 2Wire router which is in another room (hooked up to my laptop). For the most part I have no problems (I did have to get rid of a 2.4 GHz phone which was in the same room with the router) but occasionally I get signal loss.
Is it possible that my neighbor is stealing my signal? Or could it be their phone? I don't have baby monitors, satellite dish etc.

Is it possible that my neighbor is stealing my signal?
That wouldn't cause a signal loss.
It could be interference from any device that operates at 2.4 GHz.
Have you tried changing the channel used by your base station? Keep changing the channel until you find one that works or you run out of channels.

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Connecting to third-party router, but unable to browse or e-mail

I am using an Airport Extreme card in my PowerBook G4 running firmware version 405.1 (3.90.34.0.p18). Our office Wi-Fi access is through a third-party router. We used to use MAC address filtering, and I had no problem accessing the network.
Recently, for reasons unclear to me, our IT director ditched the MAC address filtering in favor of the WPA-personal standard. I was able to enter the encryption key and get connected to the network, but I wasn't able to get my browser to access the internet, nor send or receive e-mail traffic.
Our IT folks temporarily disabled all security and restarted the wireless router, but I was still only able to connect to the router, and not use my browser or e-mail, so it doesn't seem to be a problem with the use of WPA per se. I tried temporarily turning off my own firewall, too, but the problem remained.
Oddly, I can open up the Terminal and Ping successfully to an outside address -- only http and e-mail traffic seems to be blocked. The Windows-based PCs seem to be able to connect to the wireless network and use their browsers to access the internet without any problem. Any thoughts as to what else I might try, or have the IT administrators try, to resolve the problem?
Thanks,
Sid

Hello kilgores. Welcome to the Apple Discussions!
Something to ask your IT staff is if they use a proxy server for Internet access. If so, do they require proxy configuration scripts (.pac) to provide access to the Internet through your company's firewall. This information would normally be added to your browser's settings.
For Safari: Preferences... > Advanced > Proxies > Change Settings... > Automatic Proxy Configuration

Connecting a third party router to accompany actiontec router?

So I'm thinking about ordering a second router but I don't want to replace the actiontec router that Verizon supplied me, only because I don't have any clue what to do with my STB's so I'm going to leave the Actiontec specifically for that reason. I have the exact same setup with this exact router at my father's house and nothing seems to have gone wrong. Except that we hooked up an extra room specifically for the third party router. This time, I have nowhere for that to happen, so I was thinking about buying a moca bridge and plugging it in to an existing coaxial jack which another STB is plugged into. If I did this with the new router and simply gave only the one STB internet connection via Ethernet through the third party router, and left the rest on the actiontec, would it still work without messing anything up? Thank you.
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I'm not exactly clear what it is you want to accomplish, but if I understand correctly that you want to have an Ethernet connection for a single device in another part of your house, a part of the house where there's an existing coax feed, then a MoCA adapater should do the trick for you.
If indeed you're just trying to get that single Ethernet connection you won't need another router. You can plug the Ethernet device directly into the output of the MoCA adapter.
If you need more than one Ethernet connection after the MoCA adapter what you can use is a simple and inexpensive Ethernet switch. Again, you don't need another router.
The only case I can envision for needing a second router in your situaiton is if you want to use it to extend WiFi coverage, but just for Ethernet connection(s) a second router is not needed and may be counter productive.

Configuration of third-party router

Hello,
I'm trying to configure a router in place of my BT Home Hub. I am pretty sure it has to be PPPoE because it's ethernet out the back of the Home Hub. I tried what was posted on these forums, I used [email protected] with 'bt' as the password. However, the PPPoE connection just times out.
One place I saw said I needed to configure a VLAN of 101. No luck with or without a VPN.
All I ever get is a timeout. If I plug the ethernet from the modem back into the BT Home Router, it works fine, so I know my line works.
Some of the settings I can change in the third party router are:
PPPoE Username
PPPoE Password
MTU/MRU
VLAN (yes/no) and VLAN ID
Encryption (yes/no)
Mac Address (default or I can enter one)
Do I need to power cycle the VDSL modem and leave it off for a period of time to get it it to forget the BT Home Hub? I did try power cycling for maybe 5-10 seconds but to no avail.
In the PPP log, all I ever see is PPP Timeout.
Anyone have any idea how to get this working?
Michael Grant
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Hi mgrant,
The information at the bottem of the article in in Keith_Beddoe's personal website may help. Link: Using your own router for Infinity
The MTU Size needs to be set as 1492
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Is it possible to use a third party router with BT...

Hi all,
I currently have BT Infinity & Unlimited calls on my package, but I use a third party router, namely a Netgear WNR3500L in place of my original v2 Infinity Home Hub.
Now, my question is this: Do I have to use a Home Hub with Vision, or would I be okay using my current setup?
I do realise that if I use a third party router, I won't get support from BT.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Hi, this has been brought up before on this forum;
http://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Vision/Best-non-BT-Router-for-BT-Vision-Use/td-p/243097
http://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Vision/using-another-router-with-bt-vision/td-p/7742
http://community.bt.com/t5/BT-Vision/Do-I-need-to-use-the-BT-Broadband-modem-with-BT-Vision/td-p/484...
Thanks for those links, plainview. Much appreciated. Have a shiney, new star!

HomeHub2 as Modem with Third Party Router, Securit...

okay i've configured my Homehub to be set as a Router and conencted a Belkin G Plus Mimo router as the third party router, connection and everything is fine but theres on problem...
security, there is no scurity protecting my wireless network which means everyone can access my network which is bad.
when i try accessing the third party router (belkin router) i'm forwarded to the BT home hub control panel page...
any help? i need protection on my wireless!
Kind Regards, Bert

Hi Bert,
What you will need to do is manually change your Network Adaptor to an address in the 192.168.2.2-255 range. Set the gateway to 192.168.2.1 and try and access your third party router again. Then enable the DHCP Server on the LAN interface of your Belkin router.
Don't forget that you have to be connecting through your Belkin router in order to use it properly like Computer - Belkin - Homehub, not Computer - Hub - Belkin otherwise it will just ignore the additional router (Belkin).
You will also need to add a Static Route on the Belkin and set the Destination network to 192.168.1.0/24 and set the gateway to 192.168.1.254 in order to access the internet and Homehub. This will need to be set on the WAN interface.
I hope this helps.
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Pairing AX with Third Party Router

Hi,
I try to set a network by connecting AX with thrid party WiFi router (to create a router network). I can not manage to pair it as I wish, but I am aware that not all Third party router are able to connect with Airports and WDS.
I try to pair with a Sitecom (WL-026)
Do someone knows about AX -3rd Party comaptibility?
Thanks
Yann

Since I'm not at home, I can't go into my AX config right now. However, is what you're suggesting quite easy (i.e., setting up my AX to connect to my NON-WDS supporting 3rd party P.O.C. router's network)?
I am currently doing it the brute force way: two separate networks, one (3rd party) connected to the world, one (AX) connected to the stereo. This is all well and good except that I have no internet connectivity when I'm using the stereo. OK... not so well and good.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

On the continuing saga of third party router problems......

I got an Apple TV which works great with my wireless Airport WDS, but then I was looking into any problems people could be having with it and ran into this:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=901401&tstart=0
Check the third party router problems where Airports worked great.
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Hi mgrant,
The information at the bottem of the article in in Keith_Beddoe's personal website may help. Link: Using your own router for Infinity
The MTU Size needs to be set as 1492
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Connecting the WAP to a Third Party Router

Is it possible to connect the wireless access point for the set top boxes behind a third party router?

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Is it possible to connect the wireless access point for the set top boxes behind a third party router?
Generally will say NO per ATT info. One user posted he got it working, he knew what he was doing. There are certain attributes that have to be on the router for it to work. 802.1p and IGMP snooping were needed on the 3rd party router.
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How to extend a wifi network of third party router with TC 4th generation?

After searching the communities for a while, I did not find a definitive answer on the following question:
- I recently bought a 4th generation Time Capsule 2TB (MD0322/A), that I also want to use as an extension for our existing wifi network.
- This wifi network is maintained by a Sitecom Wireless 300N XR Gigabit Router. Router is set to work over 2.4 GHz (B+G+N) because of several non-N-wifi devices in the network. The channel in use is currently 11.
- This router provides so called WDS functionality, i.e. the ability for other wifi access points to act as a seamless extension of the basic wifi network (using the same SSID).
- The security settings in the router are WPA2 Mixed, with a password in plain ASCII.
- There seems to be no way to set different security levels for WDS-connections versus normal AP (access point) connections. If WDS is enabled, the security settings of the AP-mode are extended to the WDS connection.
I have set the Sitecom router to enable WDS, and added the MAC-address of the TC in the configuration of this router.
When configuring the Time Capsule, with Airport Utility 5.5.3, I can select the option to use TC to extend an existing network, and I can select the network of choice using the WPA personal or WPA/WPA personal security. However, the TC does not succeed in extending the network, and reports this back. If I manually configure the TC and select the network of choice, Airport Utility reports back that the selected network cannot be extended.
I have read several times in other posts that Time Capsule can only connect to third party routers via WDS using WEP-authentication, but these posts were quite old. I was wondering if this is still the case, or that Apple has updated this functionality in newer versions of TC, and thus there could exist a trick to connect to a WDS using WPA.
I really would appreciate suggestions
Bram Bos

gilles13 wrote:
I have a mac and pc (win7) both are connected thru a network with wifi and allready two access pt.
Airport can not be used to extend a WiFi created by a non-Apple box.
You need to turn off the radio in the router (shut down the existing WiFi). Purchase TWO Airport Express units. Connect one to the router with an Ethernet cable. Configure that one as your primary WiFi network and then use the second Express as the extender.
You need to locate the second Express where it receives a decent WiFi signal. Too far away and it has nothing to extend. Too close and it doesn't buy you anything. Before you plug in the second Express, check to see where the primary WiFi disappears completely. My personal WAG is that you want to locate the second Express 2/3 the distance to that point.
If you use Airport Utility to configure the units, it's a snap. In fact, if you configure the primary first and the extender second, AU will default to exactly the settings that you want.
By the way, I refereed to the Express because it's less expensive than the Extreme and you didn't indicate any need for the Extreme features.

Extend range of unencrypted WLAN of third party router *without* using WDS

Hello,
Imagine the following scenario for which I would like to find a solution -- but I think it's impossible, so I'm looking for hints:
My neighbour operates an open (unencrypted, unprotected) wireless network that I can use. He uses a third party WLAN router that does not support WDS. I have good reception only in a certain area in our house, so I would like to extend the range of the network, using my Airport Express station (or possibly other hardware).
I cannot make changes to the configuration of my neighbours router anyway, because we don't know the password for the configuration pages (and we don't want to reset the device to factory defaults).
I know that normally one would configure the two routers (his and mine) to use WDS (each knows the other's MAC address, uses the same channel, SSID and encryption setting etc.), but this is not possible here.
I could join his network with my powerbook wirelessly and then set up sharing preferences on the powerbook such that the WLAN internet connection would be shared onto the ethernet port to which I would connect my Airport Express station to allow wireless access by other machines. This isn't the cleanest setup because I think my powerbook would have to distribute IP addresses using DHCP and NAT which my neighbour's router does, too, so we should not use the same IP range (e.g. would use 192.168.1.xxx and I would use 10.0.1.xxx) and probably we shouldn't use the same SSID, either.
Because there's no WDS support, something like the above seems to be the only solution to me, namely: I would have to join his network as a normal client and the redistribute more or less separately (different subnet/different SSID/different IP address range/...).
Now, the Airport Express can join an existing network as a client, but despite the displayed settings in Airport Admin Utility, bridging to the ehternet port or Airport Express does not work. I have read a lot of Apple documentation, and my understanding is that when setting up Airport Express to join an existing wireless network, the only purpose would be to use it as the receiving end for iTunes music streaming and possibly to connect a printer to it; but the ethernet is completely disabled. (It took me hours to figure this out because the Admin utility clearly suggests that the station would operate as WLAN-ethernet bridge in this setting, but it doesn't.)
So do you have any other solutions to this problem? WOuld an AIrport Extreme station be capable of doing this?
I don't want to use my powerbook as the 'bridge' to share the WLAN connection to the ethernet port as described above because that would require my powerbook to be on alll the time and be located in an inconvenient place.
Thanks for your replies!
P.S.: I do have some older/other wireless routers available, but I think they're not going to help because they won't allow this rather unusual setting. They're all very basic.
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WOuld an AIrport Extreme station be capable of doing this?
No. The only way an AirPort Extreme base station (AEBS) can wirelessly join a network is using WDS. It does not offer the wireless client mode like the AirPort Express (AX).
Using your PowerBook as you suggested is the only solution using Apple's devices.
There may be 3rd party repeaters that you can use but I have no experience with them.

Connect Express to third-party router

I am considering buying an AirPort Express to use with AirTunes. But first I want to know if it would be possible to wirelessly connect the AirPort to my third-party 802.11g DSL router to use as a wireless bridge, or whatever it's called.

Not via the AX's Ethernet port.
With the AX's configured as a wireless client any client of the network (wireless or connected via Ethernet to the main base station) will be able to stream music to the AX and use a printer attached to the AX.

Third party router

My HH3 is slowly expiring, I decided rather than getting into a lenghty frustrating exchange with BT I'd replace it with a 3rd party router. It hasn't went well.
First replacement: TP-Link TLWR841N. I've download speed issues I can't reslove and sometimes on setup there's no WAN connection. Fustrated I moved on to ....
Second replacement: Belkin F5D8236-4. Thought it was working great (Download speed ways) and then I discovered that my BTTV IP channels don't work. My G4 YouView box conncts fine and all IP address match (Tried auto and manual assigment) But no IP channels or recordings. I assume it's something to do with Multicast settings but my brain shout down reading this rather lenghty thread.
https://community.bt.com/t5/YouView-Boxes/Multicast-Settings-for-3rd-Party-Routers-may-not-work/td-p...
I can't find any multicast settings in the router, can someone confirm that the router isn't suitable for BTTV or that they got one working. Ta.
<edit> Just put the TP-Link back in and confirm BTTV does work with it but I still have download speed issues.

sangerm wrote:
Hi,
My HH3 started misbehaving last month and BT changed it for a Home Hub 4 for free. The phone call to support wasn't too arduous - about 15mins on the phone and the new hub arrived next day.
Alternatively, pick up a HH4 on ebay. There's one on their right now for 99p + £3.20 postage with 1 hour to end of bidding!
I picked up a new HH4 on ebay last week, wasnt as cheap as above but I'd change out of £15
So 3rd time (router) lucky then, sounds like itmight have been easier to ring CS!
Thanks

DTMF tones Recognition with Third Party ASR, signaling?

Hi,
We have integrated the UCCX 8.5 platform with a 3rd party ASR/TTS product to automate service, we need to know about the signaling between UCCX and 3rd party ASR/TTS to recognize DTMF tones. If a session is established, how is closed?
We cannot use the step "get digit string" if the "Selected Dialog Group" for that trigger is not the "Default" dialog group, we use in the first place "MRCP ASR Group #1" and in this way the ASR recognition works but DTMF tones recognition not
Can you help us?
Many thanks,
Laura

This is a tricky one for the community most likely because ASR is used very little with UCCX, and more with UCCE. That's my opinion anyway.
Ok, so, according to the documentation it doesn't look like there's a way to directly tell if the user spoke or pressed keys. Here's what I found that seemed likely to be helpful:
The Get Digit String step waits for input until the caller does one of the following:
Presses the terminating key (DTMF only)
Exhausts the maximum number of retries
Enters the maximum number of keys (DTMF only)
Does not respond before the timeout length is reached
In ASR mode, the step will take an entire spoken digit string but will return the digit result only up the specified Input Length.
This got me thinking, what if you used a fake terminating digit? Normally the terminating digit is just discarded, but if you turned off that feature, and still asked for it, then you'll be able to analyze the input for it.
You could say in your prompt something like the following:
"Using your touch tone keypad, enter your five digit account number followed by the pound sign. For your convenience, you may also speak your account number now."
This way, if the caller is a good listener, and presses the terminating digit, which is only a trick to get them to identify themselves as having used the keyboard, you can use this method to check for it:
If (CED.endsWith("#")) True /* The caller pressed the pound key and thus is using the keypad */ /* Remove the pound sign at the end of the input */ Set CED = CED.replace("#", "") False /* The caller did not press the pound key and thus is using speech */
What are you thoughts on that solution? I wish I had an ASR to play with, and then I could actually try a few things. You're lucky to have access to such advanced technology.
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Third party router connectivity

I've got a MacBook and am trying to connect to the internet via a Linksys Wireless-G (WRT54GS, v6) router.
When we first hooked the router up, we had no problem. Now we can get a signal, but no internet connection.
We are hooked up to DSL . . . I have no problem accessing the internet via a ethernet connection . . . only wireless.
I contacted LinkSys to see if there were any compatibility issues . . . there were none . . . they didn't have much knowledge of Mac OS either . . . needless to say, they were NO help . . . the information they gave me was nothing different than what I already knew.
Any thoughts?

I have the same problem. One day it worked and the next not. I have 4 PC's on the same router and they are all given an IP address. I have used a manual IP address and this allows me connectivity through Skype, but I can not get my browser to connect to the internet. Difference for me is I tried to connect wired and still did not get an IP address
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