Third-party scenario in APO

Hi expert,
Has some of you manage a third-party scenario in APO?
We have some products that are direcly delivered using a third-party sales order from our vendor, while the same product for another customer is delivered from our stock in our distribution.
Do you have some information? Could you please share your experiencies?
Thanks,
Raü

Hi,
The problem is that we are not "subcontracting" and we are not providing any component to the vendor.
We are selling a product that we are not producing at all (just buying it to an external vendor). So that, this product has Procurement Type = "F" in our location.
Imagine we have a vendor in "Holland" that is producing the finish good. And we are selling that product to two customers (one in Italy and the other in Belgium). All requirements for the italian customer are delivered to our distribution center in Italy, and Sales Orders to that customers are delivering the stock place on that distribution center. For the Belgium requirements there is need to send the stock to our warehouse (Italy) in order to send it later to Belgium
In that case our company has an agreement with the vendor, so that the keep the stock for the Belgium needs (we are not the owners of that stock), and then we create Third-Party Sales Orders.
If you have any experience in such a kind of scenario I would appreciate.
Regards,
Raü

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How does the billing occurs in the third party scenario ?
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Third party scenario , in which goods to the customers are delivered from the Vendor and we will settle vendor and bill customer
In this process the material is created with the item category TAS and the schedule line category CS
Create a sales order in VA01 with the material withe General item category group BANS
In the schedle lines in the VA02 of the sales order, you can find the PR (purchase requisition).
Goto ME21n and create the Purchase order with the vendor which is ceated in the xk01
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For Customer, do the Billing in VF01.
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PO from Customer
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PO from Purchase requisition
Goods from Vendor to Customer
MM Invoice creation
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regards,
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Why dont you want to make a change at SO level?
From OSS note 550192 - FAQ: Changing third-party and individual PO items
Question: What do I have to consider when I change the ship-to party for the entire sales order or for a third-party item?
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as the system creates an MM document from sales order with item category 5 ('S' external -Third-party) for using of materials, you can not enter services into such purchasing items. For handling external services the item categories 9 ('D'), and 1 (B) are used. There is no item category combination for both - join item categories 5 and 9 - available in the standard. Please create a PR in ME51N instead with the concerned order in the accounting data.
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In third party scenario as we will not delivery the goods to the customer but we invoice the customer,So in this case how will we send the excise document to customer.
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Dear Friend,
From your reply, order related billing and vendor sends invoice to you. and then you generate the Customer Invoice against the Vendor invoice and mention the duties being paid by Vendor. (Vendor need to pay the excise duties when he delivered the goods to customer and the same can send
Instead of raising the Excise invoice to the customer, you can raise debit note for the amount he is supposed to pay (based on the vendor sent invoice).
As per Indian tax system, Excise duty (16%) is payable by each manufacturing unit on the value of manufactured goods / on the value added,here in your case you are not the manufaturer.
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Why req MIGO and MIRO in third party scenario

Hello All,
In third party scenario why we req to do MIGO in ref to PO.
In 3rd party we create sales order with item cat TAS.
We got the PR
with ref to PR we create PO.
then we do MIGO and MIRO
also If vendor is delivering the goods why we do the Delivery and PGI and then Invoice
Why not Invoice with ref to sales order.
regards,
abhijit

Hi
In Third Party sales, the Item category is TAS ,if the Vendor directly supplies to the end customer.
In Item category TAS, "Billing Relevance" is "F", i,e. Order related billing as per invoice quantity.
If the Item category of the Third Party item is TAS, then Schedule line category is CS in standard. If you will go to CS, you will find , the "Delivery relevance" field is blank and there is no "Goods movement" also. That means no Delivery takes place against the Sales order, so no goods issue.
This clearly indicates, we do not create any Delivery and no goods receipt takes place in third party sales process, when the vendor directly sends the goods to the customer.
Once the goods are send to the end customer, Vendor creates an invoice and sends to the ordering company. Now, ordering company goes for Invoice verification ,what the vendor has sent to him. We only go for MIRO here and not MIGO.
After that, the ordering company, creates the Customer invoice with reference to the Sales order(placed by its customer) and sends it to its customer.
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> aginst the PO, Vendor delivers the goods to the customer ABC and charge the ordering company,sends invoice for the same to the ordering company XYZ -
> Ordering company XYZ does Vendor's invoice verification and creates a Customer invoice with reference to customer's(ABC) order and sends to the customer ABC.
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Vendor does not deliver directly to the end customer in this case.
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Please tell me if i wrong, in case of subcontracting you provide the material to vendor and vendor send the material back to you with providing some operations on the same. In your case the material is not come back.
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Dear friends,
Can any 1 give me complete details @ various Third party scenarios?
My mail id is [email protected]
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Process Flow for 3rd Party Sales
Customize the third party sales in summary:
1. Create Vendor XK01
2. Create Material Material Type as "Trading Goods". Item category group as "BANS".
3. Assign Item Category TAS to Order type that you are going to use.
4. A sale order is created and when saved a PR is generated at the background
5. With reference to SO a PO is created (ME21N). The company raises PO to the vendor.
6. Vendor delivers the goods and raises bill to company. MM receives the invoice MIRO
7. Goods receipt MIGO
8. Goods issue
9. The item cat TAS or Schedule line cat CS is not relevant for delivery which is evident from the config and,   therefore, there is no delivery process attached in the whole process of Third party sales.
10. Billing      *-- Seema Dhar
SD - 3rd party sales order Create Sales Order
VA01
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      Enter
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ME52N
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ME57
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      Execute
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SD - 3rd party sales order Receive Goods
MIGO_GR
      PO Number
      DN Number
      Batch tab , click on classification
      Serial Numbers tab
      Date of Production
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MIRO
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VL01N
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I am testing the third party sales scenario. I have customized my own settings .While creating bill for the customer I am getting the following error u201CNo billing documents were generated message: VF032u201Dwhen I checked further the log the message is u201Cthe item is not relevant for billingu201D.
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Pricing type         G
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Billing quantity     D
Pos./neg. quantity   +
VTAA
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In spite of all these settings I am getting the error u201CNo billing documents were generated message: VF032u201D: u201Cthe item is not relevant for billingu201D.
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in your process you missed the invoice from your vendor
F: Order-related billing doc. - status according to invoice quantity
Relevant for order-related billing documents based on the invoice receipt quantity (third-party business transaction). The system transfers the order into the billing due list only after the vendor invoice has been received and processed in the purchasing department. After the receipt of each invoice, a customer invoice is created for the quantity that appears on the vendor invoice. The order has status "Billed" until the next vendor invoice is received.
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hi,
following is my client's requirements in third party processing...
normally we have customers in different parts of india, and we get third party orders from different customers. and we raise one single PO to vendor located in china. and he couriered the goods to Hong kong to chennai port. the container have different sales ordered goods.. from chennai it is moving to different parts of our indian customer's site. this is the scenario.
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1.P O
2. Order Acknoledgement
3. delivery Confirmations through different inbound deliveries
4.Inbound shipment from Hong konh to Chennai and Chennai to mumbai, Chennai to delhi, Chennai to hyderabad..etc
5. calculate inbound shipment cost,
6. Enter migo. with respect to ____
how to map this scenario?? especially Routes and inbound shipment
regards
raj
Edited by: raj rajan on Jan 21, 2010 2:08 AM

Configuration part:
Define mode of transportation
Define shipping types.
Asssign shipping types to mode of transportation.
Define transportation legs.
Define route here normally we maintain data like whose is arranging transportation, transit time, distance of the route, transpotation planning time.
After that maintain stages in the route, by using transportation legs. Here we need to define whether load transfer, cross border or transportation is carring out between stages.
Define weight in group as per requirement.
You need to settings under SPRO > S&D > Basic Functions > Routes
Hope it gives the required info..
Departure Zone (Departure Country) + Shipping Condition + Transportation Group + Reciving Zone (Receiving Country) = Route Determination
Menupath:
SPRO --> Logistics Execution --> Shipping --> Basic Shipping Functions --> Routes --> Route Determination --> Maintain Route Determination
http://help.sap.com/printdocu/core/Print46c/en/data/pdf/LESHP/LESHP.pdf
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