This point system is so stupid when is it going to go?
posted in the InDesign forum.
Sorry folks, but word has come down from above that abuse of the point system is counter-productive. There are management types that actually believe some users see points as an incentive to provide a quality answer, and that they wouldn't do so without the points, but that's not a widely held opinion among hosts. Nevertheless, I have to lock the thread, and warn you that at some point there will be official sanctions for those who post threads with the sole purpose of gaming the point system.
If they don't want the point system abused then we need to do away with it. This forum is becoming less and less a place I want to help at. I think I will start looking for another Photoshop forum.
They've never read the Gandhi quote:
This is a genuine, well-known quote by Mahatma Gandhi, the Indian spiritual leader and activist:
• A customer is the most important visitor on our premises, he is not dependent on us. We are dependent on him.
• He is not an interruption in our work. He is the purpose of it.
• He is not an outsider in our business. He is part of it.
• We are not doing him a favor by serving him. He is doing us a favor by giving us an opportunity to do so.
Employees of any entity, whether in government or in private business, will do well to keep it in mind and at heart.
The recent post by Kathy Nguyen, universally well received here, shows that she knows this principle and puts it into practice.
However, a few Adobe staff and associates seem somehow to think that Adobe's customers are lowly adversaries in some sort of Internet game or in a newsgroup. Those who manifest that misguided and poisonous attitude in this forum and in their blogs are showing their incompetence and their ignorance of basic business principles. To them I say: you're dead wrong! You are far from being our superiors, you are our servants.
They should know well who they are—and we certainly do.
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How seriously do we take this point system?
Seriously, do points matter? Do you want them? Why if so, why, if not? Are points any good? Do points make you feel more secure? Are points pointed and sharp or are they blunt and blunted? Do points encourage you to answer questions or do they discourage you?
Points are not a line... but connecting two pints makes a line... So do points awarded in an answer draw aline and stop all further discussion?
I've been following threads in DW General and AI General. I notice that threads, by and large, stop far sooner than they would have. I put that down to the lack of participants for various reasons and the 'Correct' answer flag. So much knowledge and information is not being shared.
True, a lot of the posts came from the NNTP side... but a lot also came from the web side... these forums are killing all spontaniety.
However, the killers are:
1/ Lack of NNTP
2/ Points
3/ Correct answersThanks Jacob - that's my friend Patty - how odd that she was able to give 3 lots of 'helpful answer' stars instead of two. I don't see the 'punishment' angle though.
Hi I'm Kath's friend Patty and now I'm feeling bad. I came to the forums to ask questions of the experienced people and I received incredible help that I was so grateful for. Now I see my thread referenced from Jacob like I did something wrong. I didn't mark correct answer because Jacob led me to believe that capitalization is an area that is ambiguous so there is more than one correct answer. So obviously I didn't do something right. I marked every response as helpful because it was (except for Ramon's response that wasn't directed at me).
Geeze, if a person asking for help needs to understand the point system, somebody better make it clear to us. I didn't even know I was the one that was supposed to check the helpful or correct answer box until Kath told me that. On another thread when I marked correct, thinking that I could choose helpful or correct as many times as it was responded to, the thread showed as "Answered" and I didn't think that was good. Because if my question shows "Answered" why would anyone waste their time giving their input.
Jacob you helped me tremendously and I feel bad that I don't understand the point system enough to give you the proper praise and gratitude that I feel. And I learned early on back in the "good old days" of the Adobe forums that there isn't really one "correct answer" there are many ways to accomplish a task.
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Dear all,
I am wondering how this point system works? I had 915 points this morning and now end up with 905. Instead of going up, it fluctuates from time to time. Initially, it use to show up next to my name with 915 but then that went down to 514???
Is it only me or someone else has seen this behaviour?
I am not points buff but it seems pretty strange that one day infact in the same day the numbers fluctuates like they do in stock exchange.
Regards
Jehanzeb>
Amit Gujargoud wrote:
> I think you misunderstood His words and take it hard. Iu2019m sure he actually
> meant in a Cool way. Letu2019s wait until his morning, he will come to you with more cool way
Nope, in this case, Kartik already has "the hard way" behind him.
During an investigation into a nest of points gamers in October last year, Kartik was investigated as well for having for having participated in one of the threads. There were many being investigated. Other symptoms matched (we have some strict rules for this) - so the mistake was perhaps understandable - but on the other hand I should perhaps have looked a bit further to see that Kartik's post patterns were different to those of the others (who were not located very far away from Kartik..).
Anyway... as they faded away into the annual ponits total of those who are being transported into the world where the A.G. calendar is used ( Anno Guestus ) ... Kartik's ID faded away with them.
Kartik contacted me about it and I took his word for the expanation that he was not involved. I am very glad that I did that, as he has been a big help in the ABAP forums.
I don't have the exact figures, but last I heard we have deleted more than 50 thousand user ID's for ponits gaming. I am always very carefull when investigating this and there are other people who check it as well before any action is taken.
To date, to my knowledge, Kartik has been the only mistake we have made. Others have begged for mercy, but that is different. Hence my comment that he should wear the difference like a "battle scar" caused by the "journal entry", until Micheal can possibly fix it.
As you can see, "we are all guilty of something" (quote: Inspector Vimes)
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[locked] Another reason the points system is all JIVED UP!!!
Not only do the nubes asking the questions not really know if an answer is correct or not. But many people don't bother to list the question as answered or if they do they just mark the question as answered without handing out points. This point system is not well thought out.
Buko...
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Which is why i don't understand why guys freak when we joke about it... the moment you see 'points' in the topic, don't, as Ansury said, read the thread! There's nothing serious that can be said about this and the 'correct answer' crap except remove them both. Except, of course, for those who love to see the points under their name, the little red blobs increasing and the smug feel of seeing that mdeallion thingy next to their name. -
Silly idea...but why not remove the points system?
Hi,
I just re-activated my interest in the SAP SDN community and have noticed a lot of discussions around points, Jacobs deals, negative points, quality of content, moderators, etc. Basically a whole lot of discussion, energy and effort towards something that should be a byproduct of an active community, not the core of it.
How about just removing the whole points system?
I can understand why it was initially in place to quickly build up a community, but I assume that you have reached the critical mass and I think you might actually be losing some of the good part of the mass because of this points system (because it might impact the overall quality).
I have been a member of Sun's Java community since 97 and though they have always had "duke dollars" it has never been a motivating factor to participate there and I don't think a lot of emphasis is put on them either. The community became very fast self controlling with people put in place for not being clear with their questions, etc. and I have always thought that it has been quite a good, simple community which has benefited everyone quite a bit. This is not to say that I don't appreciate SAP SDN, but it is just a sample of a community which works without requiring direct "rewards".
Having a link to your business card for answering questions as well as getting a profile with articles, whitepapers, etc. is in my opinion plenty of recognition and for those who you (as the forum owners & moderators) see as being truly exceptional you have the Mentor / Expert (sorry, can't remember what you called them but a sort of fellowship) model and the less people you have in that group the more they will be valued and the more people are interested in truly good quality content instead of quantity.
The only post I found related to this topic with a quick search was Reg Award Points but there might be more around as well. My apologies if this is a topic which has been discussed enough already (please link this to such discussions if relevant, though won't reward any points ).
So how about it. Any chance of dropping the points and trust that the community will survive without them? I think it would do just fine.
Cheers
Kalle
Edited by: Kalle Pokkinen on Feb 26, 2008 1:40 AM"have the changes improved the quality of the postings?". I would leave that judgment for the community to answer and perhaps it is still too soon to tell as the changes have only recently been implemented. In most change management activities, it takes time to affect behavioral change.
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To Adobe : Please add point system to this forum like SAP forum
Adding point system to this forum will encourage and
recognize people who is doing good work in this forum.
Add positive and negative point system.
SDN SAP forum is using point system effectively.
It shows who got maximum point this week, who got maximum
point this month, till today who got maximum points.
Points are give by people who ask questions based on correct
answer. If answer is correct, 1 point is awarded.
wrong answer and arrogant answer -1 point.
We need to recognize people who help others. This will be a
good start to make this forum interesting and user friendly.Dude wrote:
As far as I understand, the suggestion to get rid of the point system means that there is a problem with people giving bad answers and participating just for the sake of collecting points, and that the overall quality of the forum would improve if there was no scoring system.
I think this is wrong for the following simple reasons:
It takes too much effort to gather the necessary points to eventually create any level of visibility. People who are just after points will loose interest when they realize how difficult it is to get points. It simply does not pay off.
There is no such formula which shows that people who enjoy the scoring system provides bad answers and those who do not provide good answers. I find such ideas discriminating and lobbying.
People have individual motives why they actively participate in the forum. Removing the scoring system will most likely not only affect the desired group of people. It might suit those who think their contributions to the forums are underrated and undermined and hence removing the scoring system removes the evidence.
To my experience, the likeliness of bad answers and possible wrong judgements based on the perceived status of a person may depend on the forum topics and is no real problem. Last not least, there is usually an option to outline wrong answers or judgement, regardless of the scoring system.Your passion towards this community is admirable, and I certainly wouldn't want to alienate those who both enjoy the scoring system and helping others. If it's really that important to some of the experts around here, then perhaps you are right. But, since the issue does seem to be polarized among others that have been around as long as yourself, it seems that the answer is really not so clear-cut. We'll probably just have to agree to disagree on this one.
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