Thoughts about the bin window - bugs or features and workarounds...

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Hi there,
I really have big toubles using the bin window. It is even worse in OSX.5 (the only thing I don't like with OSX.5 and Logic8!).
There are some Problems:
1. I can't move any audio-files to wherever I want them to without Logic is copying them back into the audio-folder by saving the song. The problem is that I want Logic to copy imported audio files into the audio-folder but if I change something manually Logic should remember that without working against me. So for example: I am bouncing a lot of audio into the bounce folder. In Logic 7 all the finished bounces were located there on the hard drive. Easy to find and to organize. But in Logic 8 they are moved to the audio-folder and I have to search very carefully which files I want to send to my client. That's the biggest source of trouble for me right now.
2. If I am making groups, Logic is sometimes copying even that audio-files back into the normal audio-folder. The problem here is: sometimes. I really have no idea what the problem is. Sometimes just some audiofiles are staying in the group (on the hd) for a couple of Logic-saves and then are moved back at the 10th save or something.
3. I am not able to organize my groups and audio files very well. So if I have group that always is shown on top of the bin window and I have a audio-bounce called "zoo" it is the last one in the list. Then I have to move it the whole way up to the group. That costs me about a half our per day. Way too much. There should be some kind of easier handling. For example a second window for groups or something. The next one is that I have to call the group something like 001AASFX or ZZZ_SFX so that I am able to find it fast enough in the finder. It was so much easier to go the bounce folder in Logic 7 days.
4. The hide-regions keycommand was unstable with OSX.4.10 but now with OSX.5 it is not working at all. If I choose a audiofile in the bin window and hit the standard keycommand for hiding regions just the region for that audiofile is hiding and instantly shown again. I want to have a shorter way to move my bounced files into the group that is the whole way up to the list's beginning.
So I wonder if that are new features or if it is really buggy. I am not able to work with that structure right now and with that kind of unstable location behavior. Are there any workarounds, tips, tricks? Is there anyone who feels like me? May I hope for a update?
That's it
Xcell
Message was edited by: Axel Rohrbach

Answer 1

Hey Jim,
thanks for the support. Seems to be something Apple has to work on. There are some posts and questions about the bin window in every forum I know but there is never a "this is not want we want and there are bugs" - thread. In fact the whole Logic 8 structure with the one-window-gui is great and works much better than I expected. So it is no general "what the **** are they doing"-thing
Nevertheless, is there a way to get this to apple? I don't know if they are aware of these problems and perhaps the testers are making music with one bounce and that's it. Just one file is not that difficult to handle, organize and to find. But there are other users working in different ways (like us I think).
@ David: I am sorry but you are wasting time and thread-space. If you don't say anything if you do not feel comfortable nothing will change. You are not able to let it rain in Austria (yet) but there are real guys working at apple and it's not a kind of wonder that there is logic at all. So am trying to discuss here something and hope for any reaction or attention and don't need any "go deeply into your self and you will find a way"-stuff. Thanks anyway to bring god back to that forum.
Xcell
Message was edited by: Axel Rohrbach