Threading messages in mail 8.2

I've recently upgraded my MacBook Pro to OS X Yosemite and mail 8.2 from OS X 10.6 (snow Leopard) with whic ever version of Mail it was using in early 2010.
I'm having some problems understanding how Mail groups related messages together...where I'm particularly noticing it is when comments come in on a Facebook post. All the messages seem to be connected -- is the term "threaded"? -- into a continuous message.
Sometimes I want to save some of those messages and delete others, but it seems if I hit the "trash icon, the entire thread is deleted, not just a specific message.
So what I'd like to know is a) can I tell Mail to ungroup or "unthread" the messages, and; b) how do I delete only specific messages in a thread?
Thank you.

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Many of my correspondents are non-tekkies and/or non-affluent, and they use whatever email client they can afford. Some could be using really old email clients. That doesn't help, right? Are blockquotes a really archaic formatting measure?
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And thanks for the confirmation: Yes, often difficult, and completely unworkable in some cases.
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