Three point editing problems

HI,
I am completely new to video editing. I have bought the book "Final Cut Express 4, Movie Making for Everyone, Apple Pro Training Series", and am slowly working my way through it.
I have come to the part about three point editing, but I can't replicate what is happening in the book, and I can't see where I'm going wrong.
I have marked an In point and an Out point on the timeline, and then mark an in (or out) point on the clip in the viewer, but when I drag the clip from the viewer into the timeline it is not constrained to the In and Out points on the timeline, and the full length of the marked clip from the viewer is inserted.
If I mark both the In and Out point in the viewer, and then mark either an In or Out point in the timeline it works OK.
I'm sure I'm doing something quite basic wrong but I can't find out what it is,
Any suggestions appreciated, thanks for reading.
Julie

Thanks a lot, i've just checked the book and it actually says that, I must have overlooked it, I guess I should read a bit more carefully.

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So I am exerpiance a very stange problem, with a very simple operation, and I have no idea why this is happening. I am using a three-point eidt to cover some heavy breaths in a voice over. I have 20 seconds or so of roomtone loaded into my source viewer. The roomtone has an in point a few frames in (to leave room for a transition) and no out point. On my timeline, I create an in and out point, around the audio I want to cover. The gap I am covering is usually only a few frames, a quick inhale, or weird mouth noise. I have done this, many times no problem.
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No three point edit with merged clips in Premiere Pro CC 7.2?

Hello Premiere Folk,
I've recently, as of last night, updated to Premiere Pro CC 7.2. I'm currently cutting a feature using merged 5K red raw clips. We were expereicning some weird things but were able to work around them. The update fixed to major problems we were having;
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This bug is NOT FULLY FIXED. I'm on a tight deadline so i'm not looking very hard online to see if i'm alone - so please forgive me for just posting here...
I'm using CC7.2.1 it's 1/21... very grateful that match frame FINALLY works on merged clips, but, again, this insert/overwrite bug is only PARTIALLY FIXED.
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Three Point Edit not working correctly :(

Hi there,
first of all I'd like to say thank you Adobe for listening to your users. And I hope this one gets noticed right away....:
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bmfm_ wrote:
I have quite a lot XDCAM EX 50i clips which are all in one sequence that is used as source.
Now fortunately one can choose to either have a sequence as source edited in nested or as individual tracks. Very nice!
Very bad is that 3 point editing only works when "nested" is activated. Again, very bad!
Hi bmfm,
I think I know what's going on. The behavior you describe happens when you try to edit back into your original sequence. Can try making a new sequence to cut your selects into? See the page in help for details: http://helpx.adobe.com/premiere-pro/using/edit-sequences-loaded-source-monitor.html
Thanks,
Kevin

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How so?
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Terminology is not one of my stronger points.
For years I have been reading about "3 point editing" in books and on the forums but it has simply gone straight in and straight out!
It certainly sounded a grandiose and complex procedure to me but I never got round to clarifying exactly what it was.
Yesterday, I once again heard it mentioned when my concentration was slipping and later decided that today was the day for final clarification.
Looking again through Tom's and Lisa's various books, it appeared that it simply meant inserting In and Out points in the Viewer and dragging the clip to the Timeline either directly or via the Canvas overlays, something which I have been doing for years.
Is this the case? Is it that simple?

This is one of those things that is so easy to explain if I were sitting next to you at the editor, but so difficult to explain via a post, but here goes:
You can successfully edit in FC if you do *any 3* of the following four:
Set an In point on the Source Footage
Set an Out point on the Source Footage
Set an In point on the Timeline
Set an Out point on the Timeline
So . . . .
If I mark an In and an Out on my Timeline, I can load a clip in the viewer and just mark the Out point - where I want that source clip to end - and when I click the overwrite button, FC will line up the out from the source with the out on the timeline and fill with material from the source back to the in on the timeline automatically.
OR
If I load an clip into the viewer, and know where I want it to start and stop, I can mark the in and out point on the viewer, and then mark an In on the timeline and when I click overwrite, the FC will line up the two in points and write material from the source until the outpoint set in the viewer.
3 of the 4 points are all that is required to make a successful edit.
When NLE's first came on market, this feature was not there - so doing the following would require workarounds:
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4 Point Edits - Typo or Bug?

I have been working with 4 point edits and everything is going well, but I found one action that does not work according to the PPRO CS5 Help documents. Listed below my post are the steps to make a four-point edit from the PPRO Help documents. The second bullet under step six states that you can perform an insert edit and only shift the clips on the target track by holding down the Alt button and clicking the Insert button. I have found that it does not work as described. Clips that are located on tracks other than the target track are shifted as well. The only way that I can perform a 4-point insert edit and only shift the clips on the target track is to turn off the sync lock for all tracks.
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In a Project panel, double-click a clip to open it in the Source Monitor.
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Thank you Todd. I appreciate it. Next time I will leave a comment in the help document. I wasn't sure if it would be seen there.
It would be great if Alt could be used as a modifier key to override the targeted tracks and sync lock. I have seen references to using the Alt key in older threads on the internet, but the dates of the threads lead me to believe that the users may have been editing in CS4, which I never had installed so I don't know if using Alt worked as described in the help documents.
Kevin

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I'm a long time FCP 7 and Avid editor currently using 8.2 for two short form museum films and have been running into all sort of questions. This one comes up multiple times a day. I tried to search for this here but didn't find my exact issue or answers.
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CHL

I think I know what the issue is.
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It's obviously a terrible setup and shouldn't be like this, but that's why it's happening.

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