Ti4200-VTD8X (MS-8894) video capture

Hi,
I've just bought this video card (in the subject), that is working well normally, but the video capture function is not working. When I try to launch the capture driver properties with Winproducer, my computer becomes very slow and instable, the screen is blocked during long seconds, or my computer is rebooting alone. It's unable to capture video.
I tried with 31.00 original MSI drivers, and with lastest nVidia drivers, the result is the same.
I have an Abit NF7-S motherboard (nVidia nForce2), is there any incompatibility between both ?
And as ever seen in a past message in this forum, the Live Update 2 software is not working with this video card when it try to connect the server "this video card is not MSI", something like that.
The patch for Winproducer that I have downloaded on the MSI website is not working too with the Winproducer version on the CDROM bundle.
Would anyone help me to find the lastest VGA BIOS for this card, because Live Update is not working. Does anyone has the same problem in capturing video with this card, or is it a bug of my card ?
Thanks
Jean - FRANCE

Symptoms:
1. Live Update 2 install results with VBIOS.DLL error.
2. Vid Capture locks up Winproducer.
I've tried:
1. Reinstalled various versions of WDM capture drivers (1.08, 1.11, 1.18, 1.22)
2. Reinstalled various versions of nVidia drivers. (MSI 3100, 41.09)
3. Swapped out power supply
4. Updated MB BIOS
5. Installed Bundled Winproducer software and applied MSI patch. (Patch fails to install)
6. Format HD - Reinstall Windows and repeated all steps.
http://www.msi.com.tw/program/support/driver/dvr/spt_dvr_list.php?part=2&kind=8&CHIP=8&ID=2

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