TIFF versus PSD - any advantages?

In opening a RAW file from Aperture into PhotoShop, there is the choice of opening it as a TIFF file versus a PSD file. For either opening the file or for later ease of work, does one choice or the other have any tremendous advantages?

I appreciate the input from everyone. Might I ask a question on a related topic?
When you open a file in Aperture for external editing, it is my understanding that it creates a new master that is the basis for PhotoShop's editing and later saving. If I am editing that file in PhotoShop and choose to save it into the default location, but in an additional format (say that I do some editing and save the TIFF file, but then also use the "save for Web" option to save a jpeg version), does Aperture properly keep track of all the versions or does the last version saved from PhotoShop overwrite Aperture's master?
Does that question make sense?

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Should I save as TIFF or PSD?

Hello, I have been going 'round in circles trying to decide whether to set my Lightroom external editing pref's for Photoshop as PSD or TIFF. I've very recently downloaded Photoshop - I'll be using it after I've done what I can in Lightroom, just for photo's - I've never used 'layers'
1) Can anyone advise which might be best - I read somewhere that PSD might be easier (or necessary) if I need to re-edit. I also read PSD could be a good idea as it would be easy to see which is the master edit, and which files have been saved as TIFF, for print say
2) I also read that you should never flatten a file, at least not until you need to (ie: save as TIFF for print) - any thoughts?
3) My thoughts (mixed up though they may be!) are to say edit layers etc in PS (either TIFF or PSD) then just press 'save', but not flatten layers (I understand the PSD or TIFF will then be alongside my original raw file back in Lightroom, as LR/PS automatically does this). Then say for print I would then 'save as' a TIFF (ie: for printing), or JPEG (ie: for web), and this would automatically flatten the file. If this is correct, say I started off with the un-flattened PSD for example, would I need to firstly make a copy of the PSD, or would just doing a 'save as' still keep the original PSD 'master file'? Also, after I say did a 'save as' for a TIFF, could I then just delete the TIFF and do another 'save as' if I wanted to do another print in the future, or better to just keep the TIFF in Lightroom alongside the raw, master PSD or TIFF / JPEG?
4) I won't be doing huge amounts in Photoshop, so would it be worth looking into using 'smart images / smart filters' - I'm just thinking that if document is not being flattened anyway would it be worthwhile?
Sorry about all the questions, but the more I read the more confused I become - I'm the sort of person who likes to know what they are doing before they do it if that makes sense (probably not!!)
Thanks, Roy
Message title was edited by: Brett N

Here's my thoughts...
1. You are a bit confused and I wonder how you can determine a file is a PSD or a TIF by looking at it? Not all print drivers can recognize PSD's, but can recognize TIF ( this means almost all output devices can interpret TIF's no problem ). That said, PSD's can manage layers better than TIF's which add to file size each layer you include in the TIF.
2. Never say never. This all depends on the file's use. Layered TIFs can add complexity in which a print driver can or cannot deal with. As you work on an image, you may want to merge layers for whatever reason(s) and you always have the option to flatten whenever you feel like it. However, It is also a good idea to dupe the file as you move along. That means you always have a layered version to fall back on should you need to edit later on. I also Place transparent PSDs in Illustrator files with no problems. But, I save as EPS in Illustrator and when I do that, then the file is automatically flattened. This is perhaps what the internet was talking about.
3. Yes, see number 2 above. There's no such thing as automatic flattening of TIFFs. Again, this all depends on the printer and whether or not it can print while retaining original layers. Some do, some don't. Most of the time, I edit in PSD with layers intact. Then, when I prep the file for printing, I will save a copy as a flattened TIFF so the file streamlines through the RIP and Print process.
4. Makes no difference. Use 'em if you've got 'em.
Try to get some good resource material at a library or college bookstore or barnes & noble. Also, get Adobe's Print Publishing Guide. This is a good reference guide.
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Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files ignored when unchecked

In the Catalog Settings under the Metadata tab, I have unchecked the option 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files'.
I then selected a JPEG photograph in the Library module and chose Metadata/Save Metatdata to File. I wanted to save the metadata that I had added (keywords, IPTC, rating, etc), but not the develop settings.
I then imported the jpeg back into another catalog. The metadata I had added was there as expected, but so are the develop settings. This I did not expect or want.
Have I got something wrong here? My understanding is that turning off the 'Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF and PSD files' option means that develop settings are not written to the xmp area in non raw files such as jpegs.
Looks like a bug to me.
Tony

Hello all,
I have investigated this problem further and now have the answer. It is not that the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" is ignored, but it appears that the LR catalog is not properly updated when this option is turned off.
Here are steps to test and illustrate the problem:
1. Create a new folder and place a copy of an original jpeg image (original from camera) in the new folder. Make sure you keep the original safe and only work on copies.
2. Create a new catalog in Lightroom 2.3.
3. Import the jpeg image from the new folder.
4. Add some metadata (keywords, ratings, title, caption, IPTC data, etc).
5. Make some Develop adjustments to the image.
6. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and check (enable) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files". Uncheck (disable) the "Automatically write changes into XMP" option.
7. Select "Save Metadata to File".
8. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module, then re-import it.
9. Copy the original image back to the new folder, replacing the updated jpeg (once again, the jpeg image now contains no metadata from Lightroom). At this stage, Lightroom fails to recognize that the metadata in the LR catalog doesn’t match the metadata content in the jpeg file. I would have though that it should.
10. Open "Catalogue Settings" from the Edit menu and uncheck (turn off) the option "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files".
11. Reset the Develop settings.
12. You now need to make a change to the metadata like increase or decrease the rating (otherwise LR won’t save any metadata to the jpeg file - LR is being too smart and thinks it’s already up to date, so does nothing when you do the next step).
12. Select "Save Metadata to File".
13. Delete the jpeg image from the Library module again, then re-import it again.
14. Look at the develop settings (that you specifically did not want saved within the jpeg file in step 10).
Although the Develop settings were Reset in step 11, you have ended up with the original Develop settings from step 5. It is true that LR has not saved the reset develop settings, but it also hasn’t removed the old develop settings that are still stored in the catalog. This must be considered a bug (oversight). Note that it has also saved an Import snapshot as well.
For the more technically minded (and the LR developers if you are listening), the field "xmp" in the table "Adobe_AdditionalMetadata" is not updated (old camera raw settings and snapshot settings are left behind) when the "Include Develop settings in metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" option is unchecked (disabled) and it seems that this is the data that is written to the jpeg file when you select "Save Metadata to File". Note that the state of "Automatically write changes into XMP" has not effect on this process - I tried it on and off.
Hope that this might be of some help to others one day.
Tony

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I'm replacing a seven year old Dell that still works but is getting rather long in the tooth. I have CS4 web design. (For PC)
I have a Macbook Pro (so I'm familar with Mac OS)
I'm upgrading my computer to mainly use the Creative Cloud.
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I just don;t wan't to a Mac and then find that many features don;t work that are on the PC (or vice versa)
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It usually boils down to personal preference.
The software is, to all intents and purposes, the same in either operating system. There are minor differences between them, usually related to the hardware or the operating system. But if you can use the software in Windows, you'll be able to use it on a Mac too.
It's a matter of which environment you prefer: Windows or Mac. I use both daily since the Cloud allows you to install on Windows and/or Mac.

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yes - the only advantage is more HDD space. I myself have the 20 gig but for the extra 50 bucks u get 10 gigs more when u compare...

Tiff or psd trouble with fh11

please help me, i have trouble with tiff or psd image, no
problem when i imported that image, but when i add effect drop
shadow or glow and other effect that object going blur, i try to
clone that object before add shadhowing, i think it will be ok, but
when i print the file, that object appear not correctly, arounding
object appear blur look like mozaic, i really need advice from this
forum, thankyou.

> please help me, i have trouble with tiff or psd image,
no problem when i
> imported that image, but when i add effect drop shadow
or glow and other effect
> that object going blur, i try to clone that object
before add shadhowing, i
> think it will be ok, but when i print the file, that
object appear not
> correctly, arounding object appear blur look like
mozaic, i really need advice
> from this forum, thankyou.
Check File > Document Settings > Raster Effects
Settings.
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will blur the object (!?!).
Probably the best way to create these effects is to use
Phothosop. Also in Illustrator the raster effects do work.
Jukka

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If you are asking if there is an advantage to doing an erase and install, then yes, you'll be able to ascertain any of the issues you've been having with Apple software are hardware related issues if before the migration assistant you have trouble with any Apple applications. Cloning one drive to another, you'll find yourself with whatever corrupted fonts, cache, preferences files you had before. I would though make a backup of your data to a second drive before attempting the move, simply because it is wise to have at least two copies of your data at all times.

What is the best settings to use in the export manager when exporting from Aperture 3.5 to Photoshop cc. tiff? psd? 16bit? dpi?

What are the best settings to use in the export manager when exporting from Aperture 3.5 to Photoshop cc for editing?
Should I use tiff or psd?
8bit or 16bit?
How many dpi?

That will depend on the photometric resolution of your originals. For jpegs it would be a waste of space to convert them to a higher resolution than 8bit, but if your images actually have already more than 8bit, you will want to preserve this quality. Then he 16bit format will help to prevent color clipping.
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The dpi will only matter, when you export the file for printing.

Any advantage to having website hosted by a Mac OS X Server webhost?

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My Intel iMac came installed w/ Tiger and a "CPU Drop-In" DVD of Leopard. I need to do an Archive and Install to see if I can fix a hanging Finder. I previously bought a retail copy of Leopard for my G5, which I understand will install on either PPC or an Intel machine. Is there any advantage to using the retail version on my Intel iMac? I've read that the CPU Drop-In Leopard is not a complete version of Leopard, which doesn't make sense to me.
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a brody,
Thanks for posting and your offer to advise.
As for a backup, I have most of my data still on the G5. I've already done an A&I on the Intel iMac once witch did not fix the Finder issue. In getting ready to give an A&I another go, I backed up my Intel last night to an Ext. HD using CCC. There are three users on the machine. The other two users are not experiencing the Finder issue.
Background on why I did an A&I in the first place: ran my newly acquired updated version of DiskWarrior on the Intel iMac. Turns out this version can build the directory but can not fix permissions because it's based on Tiger. I did not know this (wrongly assumed DW was entirely compatible with Leopard).
DW tech suggested I do an A&I which did not fix the problem. An Apple tech yesterday suggested that since the Finder is only hanging on my (admin) desktop, that I create a new admin account and drag over my files either by using target Mode with G5 or getting them from the Ext. HD. However, I thought that maybe if I do another A&I, it might fix the problem. I'm also concerned that even though the other users on the Intel do not have the hanging Finder, that the previous ?A&I might not have corrected all the corrupted permissions.
BTW, initially the Apple tech guy suggested that I do a complete Erase and Install, but in thinking further on it, thought just creating another admin account would be sufficient.
What do you think?
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TIFFs vs PSDs for poster design

Hi,
I am designing a poster where I have received the original photos I need to use as tiffs. In order to use them for the poster design, the only "editing" that really needs to be done to them is to select the outline of someone's body in each pose and get rid of the white space around them by applying a mask.
Should I be saving the end result of removing the white space using a PSD? Or a TIFF?...maybe an LZW TIFF? Interestingly, although TIFFS are supposed to be bigger, in the one photo I've completed so far, the LZW TIFF was smaller than the PSD by about 5 MB.
If it makes a difference, I'm going to be designing the poster in InDesign, and there are 37 of these photos I'm going to need to use. I want to make sure I have the ability to go back and edit if I want to change something once in InDesign (which I know is possible with PSDs) but also appears to be possible with TIFFs too.
Thanks very much for your help.

graph22 wrote:
...If it makes a difference, I'm going to be designing the poster in InDesign...
Actually it does if you are designing with live type layers in Photoshop.
Type elements can print better in InDesign if you save from Photoshop as PDF.
Create a 1"x1" 72 PPI Photoshop document with type. Save copies as PDF, TIFF, and PSD. Place all in InDesign at 600% scale and check the output. Live text in the PDF scales while InDesign uses the lesser raster composite of TIFF and PSD.

Any advantages to setting the AP-Manager and Management interface to an untagged vlan?

Any advantages to setting the AP-Manager and Management interface to an untagged vlan? Currently, our controllers have their management and ap-manager interfaces on the same untagged vlan. Would it be wise to change this? Are there any gotchyas I should be aware of?

No really, there won't be a problem. Management an AP-manager can be on different vlans.
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No advantage in having interfaces configured in a way or another.
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TIFF vs PSD (16 bit) pros cons?

Hi everyone,
I am trying to streamline my Aperture Photoshop workflow and I was wondering what are the real differences and pros and cons to using TIFF or PSD in 16 bit? What would I gain/loose by using PSD or TIFF when editing in PS and saving?
Thanks

TIFF is an open standard format where PSD is an Adobe proprietary format. Both support layers, and there is little difference between them.
I'd recommend using 16 bit TIFF. Most of the Adobe folks would as well, unless you're planning on using the PSD files with Illustrator and InDesign.

What does "Include develop settings metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" do?

I am wondering what the option "Include develop settings metadata inside JPEG, TIFF, and PSD files" found in catalog settings/metadata does? what happens if you uncheck it?

Bob12312321 wrote:
also when this is unchecked will lightroom still save keyword changes to raw(nef) files? thank you!
Metadata ("real" metadata like keyowords nor develop adjustments) are never saved into non-DNG Raw files (like .nef, .cr2) directly. With these files, there is always a so called sidecar file (with the extension .xmp) created to hold the XMP information.
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