Tiger and os9

installing Tiger. can i also install OS9. have old games would like to keep.how to install?

The Tiger system files are in a folder titled System.
The OS 9 system files will be in a folder titled System Folder.
The two systems will not conflict.
Note - Some OS 9 games do not operate properly when using classic (OS 9) while booted in OS X.
 Cheers, Tom

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Mac-mini, Tiger, and OS9

I currently am running a G3/350 (blue and white) and want to upgrade to a Mac Mini (this will be a secondary computer - main one is an iMac G5). The problem is that the Apple store says the new Mini's ship with Tiger only. I have some software that runs only on OS9 that can't be upgraded to OSX.
So, if I get the Mini, can I load OS9 from Panther undeneath Tiger and continue running my exisitng software?

Personally, I have never encountered a machine specific copy of OS X.
The new line of iBook G4s are shipping with a machine-specific version of Mac OS X 10.4.2 (build 8D37). Another copy of Mac OS X 10.4.2 (the retail version is build 8C46) from any other computer will not boot them.
New (legal) copies of OS 9 can still be had all over the web.
Why would anyone need to get another copy of Mac OS 9 besides the copy that came with their computer? Every computer that Apple makes is still shipping with a copy of Mac OS 9. I suppose, if you've lost your original install disk(s), then you might need to do a search. AppleCare Support can get you a replacement set. If your Mac is out of warranty, you may be charged though.
If your computer shipped with a copy of Mac OS X up to version 10.1.5, your computer would have come with a separate Mac OS 9 install CD. These installs are almost all machine-specific.
If your computer shipped with Mac OS X 10.2 or later, you will have to install Mac OS 9 for "Classic" support from your install/restore disks whether or nor you computer can actually boot into OS 9.
The Mac mini and all the other Macs currently being shipped do not come with Mac OS 9 for Classic support installed by default. However, you can install it from your install/restore DVD.
-Doug

What is the best way to have access to OSX and OS9 from the same machine?

What is the best way to have access to OSX and OS9 from the same machine?
Do I need to partition the hard drive? Installed both Tiger and OS 9 on the G5 and it is having problems starting up properly.
G5 Mac OS X (10.4)

And here is the prove for Edwin's message: Macintosh: Some Computers Only Start Up in Mac OS X

So lately I decided I was tired of Tiger, and decided I would upgrade to Leopard. Well I made the mistake of erasing the hard drive before I made sure it would work. Well now like the installer was before it failed. And now when I boot it just won't work

So lately I decided I was tired of Tiger, and decided I would upgrade to Leopard. Well I made the mistake of erasing the hard drive before I made sure it would work. Well now like the installer was before it failed. And now when I boot I get the normal finder/question mark flashing folder. I also found a power Mac g4 that needs a new operating system. It's running 9.2. It's going to my grandma as a gift. I really need help.

I think you'll need to find a Retail 10.5 Disc.
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
    * Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
    * 512MB of memory (I say 1.5GB for PPC at least, 2-3GB minimum for IntelMacs)
    * DVD drive for installation
    * 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
Classic/OS9 Apps no longer supported.
Trouble is Apple no longer sells it, check eBay & such for the Retail version, not the Gray Discs...
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=mac+os+x+leopard+retail+10.5
There are workarounds if the 867MHz CPU is the only hangup...
http://sourceforge.net/projects/leopardassist/
http://lowendmac.com/osx/leopard/unsupported.html
List of Applications Not Compatible with Leopard...
http://guides.macrumors.com/List:Applications_Not_Compatible_with_Leopard

G4 MDD FW800 Dual Boot Tiger and Leopard

I have a Power Mac G4 1.25 Dual MDD FW800 currently running Tiger 10.4.9. I would like to install Leopard on a partition or a second hard drive so I can dual boot between Tiger and Leopard. Will the FW800 model allow this without eliminating Tiger or creating any issues with using Tiger? I recall reading somewhere that the MDD FW800 could not run Jaguar and Tiger concurrently but I don't know if this is true? Anyone running this Tiger-Leopard dual boot setup?
Thanks Della

Your MDD's are FW800 also?
What you are asking doesn't matter.
ALL G4 machines, including ALL MDD machines, including the FW800 CAN maintain two or more OS versions (such as Tiger and Leopard) and CAN boot back and forth between the versions.
Any G4 that I have ever had, Sawtooth to MDD/FW800 has run two, three and four OS versions.
I currently have OS9, Panther, Tiger and Leopard installed on this machine.
Another source had told me that the FW800 MDD could not boot back to a previous version OS once a newer version OS had been installed ie once Leopard was installed you could not boot from Tiger again from another startup disk?
Your source is incorrect, and is telling you contrary to all the content of the entire internet regarding the topic.
The FW800 cannot boot to OS 9 (any version) nor can it boot to OS X earlier than 10.2.3.
As with ANY G4, it cannot run OS X Snow Leopard (10.6).
Those are the ONLY limitations.
ALL other OS versions after OS X 10.2.3, in any number of combinations, may be present as boot volumes on the machine.
If you had 4 drives with 3 OS versions each, as long as the version was within the machines compatibility, it would be fine and boot would be supported.

Can I run Tiger and Leopard on the same computer

Hi folks.
I've been meaning to install Leopard for ages but have never got round to it (I bought the retail box when it first came out). I have upgraded my RAM to 2GB and my hard drive to 320GB with no problems.
My upgraded hard drive has been partitioned into 2 equal parts of 160GB. These appear on desktop as Mackintosh HD1 and HD2. HD1 is the disk with all my files, music, OS etc and HD2 is empty
I have 2 bootable clones of my present system - one is on a 160GB external and the other is the original 80GB HD that I replaced.
My question is this - can I install Leopard on to my 160GB external HD, then clone it on to the empty HD2. If I do this would I be able to run both Tiger and Leopard on the same Macbook?
Is there any problems with this plan? Would I be able to transfer between the 2 OS and how do I install Leopard on the external drive. Is it just a case of inserting the Leopard DVD and choose the external drive as the target?
As usual thanks in advance
Del

# Original Tiger in the internal HD, New Leopard in the external HD.
# New Leopard in the internal, Legacy cloned Tiger in the external.
# Split internal, one partition with Tiger, another with Leopard.
Leopard is backwardly compatible with older Macs, just make sure yours fulfills the minimum system requirements, both use the same filesystem format, so each can see the other. You can't run both at the same time, unless you purchase the server version of Leopard and run it virtualized. 99.9% of Firewire external HD's are bootable, some USB's are bootable but have to test first. You can choose which system to boot from by pressing the Option key at boot time, before the chime. Just make sure the external HDD is plugged in and turned on if that's where you want to boot from.
When I migrated my PBG4 from Panther to Tiger, got an external FW HDD, cloned Panther onto it, upgraded using Archive and Install, cleaned up, customized and tested it. When I was satisfied all was ok, cloned the original Panther onto another partition of the external HDD, wiped and tested for failure the internal HDD, then cloned the known good and tested Tiger into it. Only thing that died along the way was my old and ancient Photoshop v2.x, that refused to run on Tiger.

I installed Tiger and now my printer/scanner won't work

Hi. I installed Tiger and now my multi function printer/scanner/fax is not recognized by my computer. I have the Brother MFC 420 CN. I downloaded some drivers and such which I thought would resolve the issue, but still it does not work. What can I do? Thank you.

According to this page:
http://www.brother.com/E-ftp/macosxstate.htm
The MFC-420 CN is not listed. Sounds like you have a printer whose driver never was updated. Contact Brother technical support and ask them to fix that issue.

How do I do a Clean install of Tiger and Classic?

My G4 came with Jaguar. OS 9 was part of the complete installation, that you could install or choose not to install. My computer has been having a lot of issues lately and I think that a clean install would be a good idea, especially, since I used an upgrade to install Panther and then installed Tiger on top of Panther. I want to install classic and Tiger. How do I do this properly? Thanks

I plan to back up my personal files and any
downloaded software I have.
Amazing that. You've told us that numerous times, but
you've failed to provide us with information on
HOW you're going to do this. That is, please
explain WHAT you're using for the backup and
WHERE you're planning on using to store the
backup.
All Power Macs come with the capability of burning CD's today. Mine can also burn DVD's, so backing up MY files is NOT a problem. I just can't clone my whole drive. Now, I'm not sure how this is pertinent in answering my question about how to properly do a clean install of Tiger and be able to install Classic. My son however, just told me he thinks that all I need to do is to clean-install Tiger. Then, insert the installation CD with classic on it that came with my computer. Find the invisible file, which is a disk image and drag the contents of the disk image to my computer. If anyone can tell me if this is correct, I would appreciate it.

Tiger and Snow Leopard on an external hard drive?

Hi,
I have a mini mac running tiger and I need to update my itunes and ipod touch which i cant currently do in tiger.
I dont want to upgrade my hard drive as most of my programs wont work with the update, eg. photoshop and dont want to buy a new photoshop package.
As i have a spare external hard drive, I was wondering if I could run leopard or snow leopard on that and update itunes that way, thus keeping tiger running on my mini mac, and have the option of which system to run. Is this possible?
Many Thanks.

Hi, yes you can, & with a big enough drive you could partition it for multiple bottable OSX Partitions.
Leopard requirements/10.5.x...
    * Mac computer with an Intel, PowerPC G5, or PowerPC G4 (867MHz or faster) processor
minimum system requirements
    * 512MB of memory (I say 1.5GB for PPC at least, 2-3GB minimum for IntelMacs)
    * DVD drive for installation
    * 9GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
You have to call Apple & likely ask for a Product Specialist to get it, if they still have it! Helps to tell them you have an iPad/iPhone & you can't run 10.6.
List of Applications Not Compatible with Leopard...
http://guides.macrumors.com/List:Applications_Not_Compatible_with_Leopard
Snow Leopard/10.6.x Requirements...
General requirements
   * Mac computer with an Intel processor
    * 1GB of memory (I say 2GB at least)
    * 5GB of available disk space (I say 30GB at least)
    * DVD drive for installation
    * Some features require a compatible Internet service provider; fees may apply.
    * Some features require Apple’s MobileMe service; fees and terms apply.
Which apps work with Mac OS X 10.6?...
http://snowleopard.wikidot.com/
It looks like they might still have it...
http://store.apple.com/us/product/MC573Z/A?fnode=MTY1NDAzOA
If it's a core Duo & not a Core2Duo, then it'll only run in 32 bit mode.

Droplet Script used to work fine in Tiger and Leopard, now doesn't

Hey everyone,
I'd like to apologize in advance, I'm not really good with AppleScript and was only able to create my droplet in the first place by changing little bits of a Droplet example script I found on the internet (I forgot where I found it, but it might even have been here at Apple).
The script worked perfectly fine in Tiger and Leopard but throws an error in Snow Leopard. The error says "Can't make alias "...filepath... "into type file."
The problem is that I can't find the problem in my script. I don't get any indication which line it may be and I hope someone here will be able to help me.
I also tried Script Debugger, but the script works there! So that doesn't help either...
I'd appreciate any help, here is the script:
-- QuickTime supported image formats
property type_list : {"JPEG", "TIFF", "PNGf", "8BPS", "BMPf", "GIFf", "PDF ", "PICT"}
property extension_list : {"jpg", "jpeg", "tif", "tiff", "png", "psd", "bmp", "gif", "jp2", "pdf", "pict", "pct", "sgi", "tga"}
property typeIDs_list : {"public.jpeg", "public.tiff", "public.png", "com.adobe.photoshop-image", "com.microsoft.bmp", "com.compuserve.gif", "public.jpeg-2000", "com.adobe.pdf", "com.apple.pict", "com.sgi.sgi-image", "com.truevision.tga-image"}
-- This droplet processes files dropped onto the applet
on open these_items
repeat with i from 1 to the count of these_items
set this_item to item i of these_items
set the item_info to info for this_item
try
set this_extension to the name extension of item_info
on error
set this_extension to ""
end try
try
set this_filetype to the file type of item_info
on error
set this_filetype to ""
end try
try
set this_typeID to the type identifier of item_info
on error
set this_typeID to ""
end try
if (folder of the item_info is false) and (alias of the item_info is false) and ((this_filetype is in the type_list) or (this_extension is in the extension_list) or (this_typeID is in typeIDs_list)) then
processitem(thisitem)
end if
end repeat
end open
-- this sub-routine processes files
on processitem(thisfile)
-- NOTE that the variable this_item is a file reference in alias format
-- FILE PROCESSING STATEMENTS GOES HERE
tell application "Image Events"
launch
-- get the parent folder of the image file
set the parent_folder to the container of this_file
-- derive new name for the new image file
set the new_name to my addextension(thisfile, "png")
-- look for an existing file
if (exists file new_name of the parent_folder) then
error "A file named \"" & new_name & "\" already exists."
end if
-- open the image file
set this_image to open this_file
-- save in new file. The result is a file ref to the new file
set the new_image to save this_image as PNG in file new_name of the parent_folder with icon
-- purge the open image data
close this_image
end tell
end process_item
on addextension(thisfile, new_extension)
set this_info to the info for this_file
set this_name to the name of this_info
set this_extension to the name extension of this_info
if this_extension is missing value then
set the default_name to this_name
else
set the default_name to text 1 thru -((length of this_extension) + 2) of this_name
end if
return (the default_name & "." & the new_extension)
end add_extension

Here's the faulty line:
--open the image file
*set this_image to open this_file*
The command open doesn't return anything that could be assigned to the variable this_image.
I also wonder if it wouldn't be better to add “as alias” at the end of each of the following two lines:
*set this_info to the info for this_file*
*set the item_info to info for this_item*
I hope this help.

Imac G% tiger and Front Row Problem

Front Row do not recognize my Itunes library (tv shows, music etc...)
How can I make it work
I have Tiger and Imac g5(isisght)
Thanks

Is your profile correct? Is there a reason you're still running Mac OS X 10.4.6? I think you'll need to make sure your iLife applications and iTunes are up-to-date as well as Mac OS X for everything to work correctly together. Mac OS X can be updated to 10.4.11, iTunes can be updated to 7.6.1 and QuickTime can be updated to 7.4.5 all for free. Which version of iLife do you have? '06 or '08? You'll need to make sure you have the most recent versions of iPhoto as well...
-Doug

"Moving" Tiger and Leopard OS's from G4 (32b) to G5 (64b)

I plan to image Tiger (10.4) and Leopard (10.5) from my Power Mac G4 (Quicksilver 2002) to a recently acquired a Power Mac G5 (Early 2005). My questions are:
1. Tiger and Leopard were installed on a G4, a 32 bit processor, but the G5 is a 64 bit processor. Do I need to do anything after I’ve “installed” the G4 Tiger and Leopard on the G5 to have them function as 64 bit Operating Systems (a.they can detect which processor they are installed on automagically and don’t need my intervention OR b.I have to toggle something OR c.I have to reinstall one/both of the Operating Systems on the G5 for them to function as 64 bit Operating Systems)?
2. How can I tell if the OS is running as a 32 bit or 64 bit process?
TIA.

Hi Barubin,
I'm no expert on OS X's internals, but I believe Tiger and Leopard's kernel still is 32-Bit, but allows 32-64-bit bridging. In Leopard's Activity Monitor I can only find two apps running in 64-Bit mode:
usbmuxd
IIDCAssistant
The best way of getting 64-Bit is to upgrade to Snow Leopard on Intel, I'm afraid.
Your target-disk method or BDAqua's suggestions should work just fine, but I usually find hdiutil to be generally more reliable, plus I can keep around a system image for safety's sake. When I say reliable, I mean that you can always interrupt the image creation by using CTRL-C or check whether it is actually throwing any errors. The GUI has hung on me on occasions. I also love UNIX, which helps!
I've never done a speed comparison between Disk Utility and its CLI counterparts, but I like the verbosity/flexibility provided by the CLI. It's a matter of taste, really. If you're not comfortable using the CLI, stick to the other options.
The purpose of asr -imagescan (asr stands for Apple Software Restore), is to rebuild the target image and replace it with a checksummed and reordered (optimised) version, so it can then be verified against the contents of your target volume after you're restored the data. Also, scanning the image allows you to do a block restore, which is effectively a blazingly fast blind copy. In a matter of minutes you can easily restore 15 GB of data into your chosen volume, as opposed to not scanning it with asr or Disk Utility and the restore operation defaulting to a normal image mount --> data copy operation, which is slow and inefficient. It's a tradeoff really. You can wait for ages restoring, or creating the image
I rather wait for image creation since it's the safest and cleanest option data-wise.
Check out:
$ man asr
$ man hdiutil
I'm confident it will all work just fine with your heart transplant!
Cheers

List of sysctl add/del/changes between Tiger and Leopard

I've ran a quick diff between the sysctl values in Tiger and Leopard. Note: This is from two different macbook's, so some values may be changed due to hardware.
This should give folks an idea as to what buffer sizes, performance tweaks, etc. have been added.
If you're real bored, I guess you could revert everything network related back to Tiger values ... but, yeah, good luck with that. You may break more than you fix.
Most of these you can lookup on-line or in the kernel source to see what they do. Sometime in the next week or so I'll add descriptions if you don't have a network background or src code background.
Removed
T debug.net80211: 0 0
T net.athCCAThreshold: 28 28
T net.athaddbaignore: 0 0
T net.athaggrfmax: 28 28
T net.athaggrqmin: 1 1
T net.athbadrxbuf: 0 0
T net.athbadrxdesc: 0 0
T net.athbgscan: 1 1
T net.athdupie: 1 1
T net.athforceBias: 2 2
T net.athforcebadrx: 0 0
T net.athpowermode: 0 0
T net.athppmupdate: 1 1
T net.athvendorie: 1 1
T net.inet.tcp.delacktime: 50
T net.pstimeout: 20 20
Changed
T net.link.generic.system.ifcount: 11
L net.link.generic.system.ifcount: 7
T net.inet6.ip6.fw.debug: 1
L net.inet6.ip6.fw.debug: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.debug: 1
L net.inet.ip.fw.debug: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass: 1
L net.inet.ip.fw.one_pass: 0
T net.inet.ip.fw.static_count: 12
L net.inet.ip.fw.static_count: 1
T net.inet.ip.maxchainsent: 0
L net.inet.ip.maxchainsent: 45
T net.inet.ip.rtexpire: 10
L net.inet.ip.rtexpire: 140
T net.inet.tcp.blackhole: 2
L net.inet.tcp.blackhole: 0
T net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 144000
L net.inet.tcp.keepidle: 7200000
T net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 1500
L net.inet.tcp.keepinit: 75000
T net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 1500
L net.inet.tcp.keepintvl: 75000
T net.inet.tcp.localslowstartflightsize: 4
L net.inet.tcp.localslowstartflightsize: 8
T net.inet.tcp.loginvain: 3
L net.inet.tcp.loginvain: 0
T net.inet.tcp.msl: 600
L net.inet.tcp.msl: 15000
T net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 32768
L net.inet.tcp.sendspace: 65536
T net.inet.tcp.sockthreshold: 256
L net.inet.tcp.sockthreshold: 64
T net.inet.tcp.pcbcount: 41
L net.inet.tcp.pcbcount: 38
T net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 32768
L net.inet.tcp.recvspace: 65536
T net.inet.udp.blackhole: 1
L net.inet.udp.blackhole: 0
T net.inet.udp.loginvain: 3
L net.inet.udp.loginvain: 0
T net.inet.udp.pcbcount: 44
L net.inet.udp.pcbcount: 16
Added
L kern.netboot: 0
L net.inet.ip.random_id: 1
L net.inet.ip.dummynet.debug: 0
L net.inet.tcp.backgroundioenabled: 1
L net.inet.tcp.backgroundiotrigger: 5
L net.inet.tcp.ecninitiateout: 0
L net.inet.tcp.ecnnegotiatein: 0
L net.inet.tcp.inswcksum: 2806591
L net.inet.tcp.insw_cksumbytes: 1244150487
L net.inet.tcp.maxseg_unacked: 8
L net.inet.tcp.outswcksum: 4438883
L net.inet.tcp.outsw_cksumbytes: 4483972145
L net.inet.tcp.rexmt_thresh: 2
L net.inet.tcp.rfc3465: 1
L net.inet.tcp.rtt_min: 1
L net.inet.tcp.socketunlocked_onoutput: 1
L net.inet.tcp.winscalefactor: 3
L net.inet.udp.inswcksum: 5697
L net.inet.udp.insw_cksumbytes: 721922
L net.inet.udp.outswcksum: 4899
L net.inet.udp.outsw_cksumbytes: 445568
L net.inet6.ip6.fw.enable: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.keep_announcements: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.sendconflictingprobes: 1
L net.link.ether.inet.sendllconflict: 0
L net.link.generic.system.dlilinput_sanitycheck: 0
L net.link.generic.system.multithreadedinput: 1
L net.smb.fs.loglevel: 0
L net.smb.fs.tcprcvbuf: 131072
L net.smb.fs.tcpsndbuf: 131072
L net.smb.fs.version: 104000

Hey there,
I believe I'm having the same issue. I'm using Mail.app in 10.5 with a gmail account (IMAP). The issues is that in Tiger we had the IMAP option in the account settings "Advanced" tab to: "Automatically synchronize changed mailboxes." This option appears to be missing, and even more, does not happen in Leopard. What this means is that changes to folders (other than one's that you explicitly open/synchronize manually, will not shows updates in Leopard.
This is especially annoying with the "All Mail" (Archive) folder for Gmail IMAP in Leopard. In order to ensure that your "All Mail" is always up to date, you have to manually open it (to initiate a sync). Otherwise it does not auto update like it does in Tiger.
Thanks,
Shahrum

Reinstalling Tiger and updates

I have the original Mac Mini with Panther disks. I bought the retail disks for Tiger and upgraded. I also installed all the updates. In the meantime, my boarder has been using my Mini. He will be leaving at the end of April. I feel that I should reformat and reinstall the OS. I already know how to reinstall from the Tiger disks and then the other software from the original disks. My question is: Will I have to install all the updates in order or just the last one for the OS and also the other software updates? Thank you.

About the boarder, he has been running an online "business" selling HDTV's and downloading a lot of files and also created some of his own. I found out that he is not completely honest in his dealings, won't pay his bills promptly, etc. And, he also owes me money. That is why I asked him to leave. I would rather reformat to get rid of all his stuff than to try to search and find everything. It's kind of like reformating and reinstall before you sell a computer.
I may just do the reinstall and let Software Update do the rest, and see what happens.
Thank you for the responses.
PS While he has been using the computer, a lot of stuff has been changed, he has tried updates but didn't have the admin password. I would just rather do a reinstall.
And I appologize if this may seem like a rant about the boarder.

Leopard vs tiger and filemaker 9

i am running Filemaker 9 on a g5 server. all designer units were running the latest version of tiger and filemaker 8.5. half of the studio upgraded to fm9 BEFORE upgrading to leopard and those units can connect with out files on the server. the other half of the studio upgraded AFTER their units were upgraded to leopard and cannot connect to the filemaker server...does anyone have any thoughts?
we have uninstalled, reintalled and checked the firewall so far...

Not really. All system fonts are normally outside of any user control. Functionally Tiger and Leopard use the same system fonts.

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