Tiger Archive and Install disc space requirements

I guess I'd find out if I had enough room when I clicked the button, but how much memory does an A&I need?
Salud.
TiBook G4 Mac OS X (10.3.9)

The 3.5GB number is based on most of the optional Mac OS X packages not being installed; you'd need approximately 6 or 7 for a retail copy of Mac OS X plus another GB if you installed the Developer Tools. To get an approximation of how much space will actually be required, check how much space is used on the hard disk, subtract the sizes of the /Library/Application Support/ and /Users/ folders, and add 2GB for the storage of temporary items during the installation. The space the installer will require for the newly-created system is not included in this calculation, and it assumes you will be preserving user and network settings.
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Archive and Install/Disc Utility issues -

I'm currently spending a summer abroad in South America, and have had issues with my Macbook Pro (early 2011 version) no longer starting up after some virus experiences last week. The computer hangs itself during loading on the white screen w/ grey apple and the spinning dial. In contacts with Apple Care as well as some Mac-saavy friends, the following situations have been tried:
Opening in safe mode - The loading bar (added at the bottom of the grey apple screen) loads about 1/4 of the way, disappears, and the computer hangs itself.
Opening in single user mode - I run the recommended sbin/fsck -fy command to clean up the hard drive. It comes back after having checked 6-7 parts, saying that the MacHD is in good shape, with a message following saying that something had been "modified" (forgive me for not remembering the correct verbage at present). I then run the same command again, resulting in a message that the HD is clean and without error. I then "reboot" and remain hung on the white screen w/ grey apple.
Opening in verbose mode - I reach the following lines of text, and then there is no further progress:
enable
IONetworkController::enable
createMediumTables
enable end
MacAuthEvent en0   Auth result for: 00:23:cd:1e:f2:c4 No Ack
same line as above saying "Auth timed out" at the end
Command+option+r+p - shock two or three times, (three startup chimes) and computer continues to hang itself in the normal spot.
- So, at this point I took the advice of Apple Care and a few other friends, and tracked down a "retail copy" of Mac OSX (10.6.3) in order to try to do an Archive and Install or any sort of Disc Utility via the startup disc.
Inserting the disc and holding "c" at startup results in the cd drive whirring the disc for a few moments, and then remaining hung at the same white loading screen.
Holding "option" during the startup gives me the option of loading from the HD, or the disc. Selecting the disc proceeds to whirr the cd drive, take me to the white loading screen with the grey apple, and... you guessed it... leaves the CPU hung.
My question is then, is my Macbook Pro unable to read this disc and execute Archive and Install/Disc Utility for hardware reasons as per the virus attack, or is the disc not compatible with my version of OSX (which I have since confirmed through my wife to be 10.6.6)?
Different sources have told me different things. The local AASP in Uruguay sold me what they professed to be the "latest" version of OSX - the 10.6.3, what's more for $55 dollars instead of the lower cost as available in the states (between $15-$30), so I am reluctant to go back to them for advice when they seem more inclined to cash in on my inexperience (Mac owner of less than a month) than actually fixing my issue. Apple Care told me that a standard "retail disc" should work, but I am assuming now that they believe I can snag the same version as initially came with my Macbook Pro. Should I be looking to have my wife mail my original OSX install DVDs down here to resolve this problem? Should 10.6.3-retail be working and is not for reasons I haven't identified? I have since done some online research and found mentions that doing any sort of HD partitioning or OSX reinstalls can only be accomplished by utilizing a disc of an equal or more recent version of the OSX (examples that 10.4 can't work on a notebook preinstalled with 10.5, etc). Does this translate to 10.6.3 not being able to function for my 10.6.6 MBP?
Any insight or thoughts would be much appreciated, as essentially all of my schoolwork and assignments are now trapped on an inaccessible HD. Thank you for your time.
- Joseph

I tried adding in a bunch of information about what your troubleshooting steps meant, but the server went into maintenance while I did. So, here it is again:
"Opening in safe mode - The loading bar (added at the bottom of the grey apple screen) loads about 1/4 of the way, disappears, and the computer hangs itself."
     This is FSCK running, and gives you an indication of it's progress.
"MacAuthEvent en0   Auth result for: 00:23:cd:1e:f2:c4 No Ack"
     This is either a failed DHCP request or ARP request.
"Command+option+r+p"
     Command+Option+P+R - Resets PRAM. That's why p+r.
"Inserting the disc and holding "c" at startup results in the cd drive whirring the disc for a few moments, and then remaining hung at the same white loading screen."
     This problem indicates that the disc is too old to boot your system. The reason for why this disc cannot boot is because it doesn't contain the necessary drivers for your model MacBook Pro. My mom and brother have similar models, and my brother had similar issues while in Japan. He went and got an install disc as well, which failed, I ended up stepping him through so that it would boot in Safe Mode, and then got it working in Normal Mode remotely.
FYI: Sophos has a free Mac Antivirus program, that is very processing friendly, and will scan in the background. You may wish to consider it as an alternative to Avast! if it continues giving you problems. Though I suspect it may be coincidence that your computer had problems shortly after Avast! cleaned up files. Let me know how it goes. You may wish to open up Disk Utility and check your S.M.A.R.T. Status. You want to make sure it says "Verified" If it doesn't say "Verified" then you have a problem.
-Phill

Tiger Archive and Install Using External Disk for Archive?

Any way to do an archive and install by moving the saved stuff to an external usb drive? My 10.4.3 install disk is offering me only erase and install, I was updated to 10.4.8 and quite invested with software, etc., would really like to at least try archive and install, but of course the main drive is too full for that.
As an alternative, is there any way to use single user mode command line to locate and move files before doing the erase and install?
Finally, I gather I cannot boot os 9 with my mini. Is there any workaround for that?
Thanks for any help.
Jud

> One of the unexplained mysteries to me is what users are supposed to do about iTunes libraries?
Create and maintain a backup saved to an external drive or media (used for backup purposes only) as should be done with all other data that is important to you - for this very reason and for other important reasons. It isn't a matter of if but when your hard drive has a partial or complete failure since none last forever.
Since an iPod can be accessed/used via Disk mode as with any other external drive, many use their iPod for backup purposes which is a big mistake IMO since this isn't what an iPod is designed for. There are ways to retrieve music from an iPod but if you have your iPod preferences to automatically launch iTunes and update with iTunes and/or don't have Disk mode enabled, it makes it much more difficult if not impossible.
Do you have access to another Mac that supports being connected to another Mac via Firewire Target Disk mode? If so, you can connect your Mini to another Mac this way to retrieve your data and then you should probably consider reformatting the drive (which completely erases the drive) and then re-install Tiger and all software.

Archive and Install problem (not enough disc space for another install)

Alright, so I've got the blue screen. I tried getting rid of the APE stuff, and they were all successfully deleted, but it's still the blue screen. So I'm going to do the Archive/Install thing. My problem is that if I try to do an Archive and Install, I won't have enough space to do it. I have around 3.5 GB right now, but that's probably not enough to do another install.
My only option I think is to go into single-user mode and manually remove my larger files. I have a back-up drive, and I tried removing all the stuff that's on the back-up drive from my computer, but all of them are listed as read-only.
So is there a way to override permissions in the UNIX thing? Or is there another option for me with?
Also I don't know if this matters, but I'm installing it from an external DVD drive and I'm doing it from PANTHER and not Tiger.
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...anyone? I left the blue screen on overnight but it didn't do anything.

Upgrade, or Archive and Install? Disk space?

I'm thinking of upgrading to Tiger soon because I want those shadows I make in Pages to show up on PDFs. But before I do give up my money for the disc, I've got a few questions, just to make sure every thing goes as planned:
- Upgrade or Archive and Install? I seem to remember back in the old days when there was mayhem with Upgrade when that option was first introduced (in Jaguar?). Is Upgrade reliable now?
- If I do Upgrade, how much additional disk space do I need (I have Panther on my PowerBook right now)? I know Apple says 3GB on its website, but that's only for a clean install, right?
- If I do Archive and Install, how much disk space will I need (including the Previous System folder)?
PowerBook G4 (Gigabit Ethernet, 667MHz) Mac OS X (10.3.9)

Hi Kim!
Here is some additional information.
Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (U.S.).
If you know what to look for, a Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD, can also be purchased rather inexpensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, AppleRescue, FastMac, etc.
As Gulliver posted, be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
The discs should look like the images in the above links.
Additional info in these links.
Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?
Tiger System Requirements
Additionally, "Tiger ships on a DVD, but if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you’ll need CD media. When you buy Mac OS X Tiger, you qualify to purchase Tiger CDs for only $9.95."
Download the Media Exchange Program Order From Here.
Orders must be mailed by March 19, 2007.
AppleRescue, also sells a Tiger installation set on CD
Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And Good Luck!
ali b

Trouble with Archive and Install of Tiger 10.4.6

During a Software Update of QuickTime 7.5 I ran into multiple problems:
1. Iphoto would not import from any souce.
2. Safari quit when I used the Bookmark menu.
3. Itunes won't show any graphics.
4. Others I haven't run into yet?
I tried repairing permissions, then I downloaded the Quicktime 7.5 and tried to install, the installation quit.
I tried re-installing Iphoto from my ILife 06 disk, still could not import.
I tried to do an Archive and Install from my Tiger 10.4.6 DVD, the installatiion quit, said retry. I repaired permissions using the Tiger install DVD, the tried to do an Archive and Install again, but it quit during the installation.
Any thoughts would be appreciated.

Could be many things, we should start with this...
"Try Disk Utility
1. Insert the Mac OS X Install disc that came with your computer, then restart the computer while holding the C key.
2. When your computer finishes starting up from the disc, choose Disk Utility from the Installer menu. (In Mac OS X 10.4 or later, you must select your language first.)
*Important: Do not click Continue in the first screen of the Installer. If you do, you must restart from the disc again to access Disk Utility.*
3. Click the First Aid tab.
4. Click the disclosure triangle to the left of the hard drive icon to display the names of your hard disk volumes and partitions.
5. Select your Mac OS X volume.
6. Click Repair. Disk Utility checks and repairs the disk."
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=106214
Then Safe Boot from the HD, (holding Shift key down at bootup), run Disk Utility in Applications>Utilities, then highlight your drive, click on Repair Permissions, reboot.
The usual reason why updates fail or mess things up, is if Permissions are not fixed before & after every update, with a reboot... you may get a partial update when the installer finds it doesn't have Permissions to change one obscure little part of the OS, leaving you with a mix of OS versions.
Some people get away without Repairing Permissions for years, some for only days.
If Permissions are wrong before applying an update, you could get mixed OS versions, if Directory is the slightest messed up, who knows!
If many Permission are repaired, or any Directory errors are found, you may need to re-apply some the latest/biggest updates.
How much free space do you have on what size HD?

Tiger Archive and Reinstall - Loss of free HD Space

My eMac was upgraded to Tiger (from OS 10.3.9) two days ago from an install disc I bought from Apple. I used online 'Software Update' to upgrade further to 10.4.9.
My eMac HDD was down to 5.66 gb (out of about 37gb) so I decided to remove a load of "Language files' installed by Tiger to save HD space. I somehow cocked this up by removing the English language files (particularly annoying because I thought I had asked the software not to do this).
Anyway, to rectify the situation I realised that all I needed to do was an 'Archive and Install' from my Tiger disc, then use 'Software Update' again to get back to the position I was in before (after deleting any 'Previous Systems' folder of course).
This is where it all went wrong.
I opened the Tiger Installer and opted for the 'Archive and Install' option. But I got an error message saying I didn't have enough HD space left to do the job. It said I had only 1.65 gb left and I needed to make more space on my HD.
I thought this was weird because I knew I had 5.66gb left on my drive. However when I backed out of the Installer I found that my HD icon on the desktop had changed. It now says I have only 1.66gb space left on my HD.
I am at a loss to know why and where all my HD space has gone. I really need to find out how to locate it all and how to recover it all? Following this I need to know how to run 'Archive and Install' without losing all my HD free pace.
The installer was only working for a few seconds, maybe a minute at the most.
My first thought was look for a 'Previous Systems' folder. I found this but it was only 32kb in size. So I'm missing 4 or 5 gbs.
Please Help!!!

That did the trick. I followed the advice in your link and downloaded Disk Inventory X. It immediatley showed a big purple block of 4 gigs belonging to Myst V End of Ages that I had just been playing for the first time.
Uninstalling this did the trick. I have the Folder size set to show in the folder name on my desktop. My HD icon could not have been updated for some reason so I thought I had about 6 gigs available when I hadn't. Oh well, never mind. All sorted now.
By the way, my Mac is still working fine, so I must have stopped deleting the English language files in time. So I don't necessarily need to reinstall Tiger just yet it would seem. I will continue to seek out superflous language files and printer drivers though. I need the space.

Any way to free up HD space ahead of Archive and Install?

My macbook pro recently stalled login at the blue screen. i tried the usual tricks including safe boot and repairing permissions and disk. when i try to login with safeboot it thinks for a minute and returns me back to the login screen. multiple repairs of permissions and disk yield no errors. i went to my local apple store and they suggested doing an archive and install. unfortunately when i tried to do it, i was 200mb short of the 2.4gb of HD space needed to do the most bare bones install that included no software, fonts, or drivers. is there any way to access any of my HD files and delete something? it would break my heart to have to do a full erase and reinstall because of just 200mb of space. please recall that there is no way for me to enter the computer through either normal boot or safeboot. thanks in advance for your help.

Good catch, I didn't notice that.
You can use a pre-Intel Mac, though. It just needs to be running Mac OS 10.4 Tiger. I've booted my MBP from a PB G4 running Tiger with no trouble.
Thanks for the star, and good luck!
Ps. This highlights the need to have a +frequently updated+ bootable backup for your computer. Personally, I use SuperDuper to keep an up-to-date bootable clone on an external firewire drive. If I ever need to, I can boot my MBP from that.

Archive and Install - not enough space?

I'm trying to do an Archive and Install on a MacBook 2.1 that will not start up because of Kernel Panic errors that I have not been able to resolve. When I try to do an Archive and Install I get a message that says "You cannot install Mac OS X without changing your install settings. A newer version of Mac OS X is installed." I then click Options, select Archive and Install, but eventually I get a pop-up that says "You need about 13.3 GB more free space on the destination volume. Deselect some packages or quit the Installer to make more space available..."
When I click OK I get a screen that says "Custom Install on Macintosh HD." It tells me that it requires 15.5 GB and that -13.3 GB is remaining. Even by unchecking everything except "Essential System Software" it still says Space Required 2.5 GB / Remaining -329 MB. My only option at that point is to Go Back. This brings me to the Select a Destination screen, but when I select the HD and click Continue it just loops me back to the Custom Install screen.
It seems like it's asking me to make room on a hard drive I can't access because of the Kernel Panic errors. Any ideas? Thanks.

Have you tried booting to your Install DVD and running the Apple Hardware Test (hold 'D' as startup)?
If you've backed everything up, perhaps a clean install is the better way to go.

Problem with Archive and Install - Second disc won't complete

I'm trying to run an archive and install for my iMac, OS 10.4.11. I get through the first disc fine, but after I put in the 2nd install disc, it gets all the way to the "finishing installation" and then won't move past "running GarageBand Demo Songs Installer Script". it says less than a minute remaining, and the downloading bar is swirling, but there is nothing happening and it hangs here for hours. I've tried reinstalling, but it will only ask me to load the 2nd disk again, and the same thing happens over and over. I even tried a different install disc 2, and the same thing happened. Is there a way to push past this, or start the entire archive and install again? when i reboot to the disc drive with the 1st install disk, it ask me to put in the 2nd disc.
This all started because iTunes was acting up after I got an ipod touch, no prior problems with the computer. Can anyone help?

I've seen this reported before. What some have had some success with is to do a custom install so the second disk is not needed. See BDAqua's tip to someone with the same issue in the Tiger forum.
http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=9959537#9959537

Want to run an archive and install, but can't empty trash to free space

I don't know where to begin... at some point recently something caused problems with several applications, so after trying to repair permissions and repair disk with no luck, I decided to archive & install. Now I want the old problems back: Word/Excel/Photoshop will not open because of some library error (Carbonlib?), and my network settings keep going screwy such that if my computer goes to sleep, I couldn't pick up my wireless signal anymore without restarting (and then ta-da, there it was like there was never any problem).
So in trying to archive and install I keep stalling at the very beginning... I'll leave it for hours hoping it would proceed but it wouldn't. I've repaired disk several times, with the same errors ultimately coming up. So without being able to archive and install I figured I'd better back everything up and do an erase & install. Started backing things up in prep for moving them onto a server, but when I plugged the server in, my computer said it couldn't get on. Same exact server wire had just come out of my work computer which connects just fine. So now I've got duplicates of all my files on the desktop, so I try to trash them and when I select 'empty trash' or 'secure empty trash', I get the box that says "preparing to empty trash" and then everything except my wallpaper goes away, and eventually comes back as if I've restarted. Now I definitely can't archive and install because with duplicate copies of all my files I have only 1.7gb available and need 1.9 to install just the required files.
I'm at a total loss! Incidentally, my ipod won't mount if I try to plug it in.
Are there other options in disk utility that I can try? I don't know enough to feel comfortable just trying something, and I don't know what the "Restore" option does.
Oh goodness, I hope somebody knows something that can help me out of this.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=3366422
Odd, the link works for me.
-mj
[email protected]

Archive and Install OS X Tiger 10.4.11

I put my OS X install DVD that came with my iMac two years ago in to run the hardware test. After, I restarted holding down the "C" key as the DVD said to start from Mac OS X (I now realize that it meant to restart from the installer). I selected "Archive and Install", not wanting to lose my 500 songs and $1000 CDN in software. All went well until it asked for disc two. When it finished installing from that disc, it said that there were errors and to try again, so I tried again with the installer logs open. Those told me that the only errors were that various iLife and iWorks applications could not install because newer versions exist already. As of now, I have tried this three more times with the same result. Are there any options to continue with this "Archive and Install", or is there a way to back up some of the files by connecting to another computer and go back to "Erase and Install"?

Hi Alex, and Welcome to the Discussions!
You can back up that HD using another Mac and FireWire target disk mode...
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=58583
You can sometimes get past a borked install by reducing Printer Drivers, Languages, APPs, so you can at least boot up.
Did you use Disk Utility on the Installer to Repair the HD yet?

After Archive and Install 10Gb of disk space has disappeared!

I was having various minor problems which I have mentioned elsewhere and out of shear frustration I decided to stop wasting any more time and do an Archive and Install - preserving accounts etc.
After the subsequent Software Updates I was horrified to see that my main disk was 10Gb down on what it had been just prior to doing the installation. It was moreso because unlike the original installation I had not installed all the Languages, Fonts and Printers which I would not be using, so I hoped to gain some space - not lose it.
Anybody any ideas where this drive space has gone?
And please nobody suggest the Previous Systems folder - I dealt with that.

Alf Megson wrote:
Do you really want me to answer that question?
yes. I had to ask. I don't know you and I've seen way too many posts by people with similar problems who don't know that one has to empty trash to actually reclaim the missing space.
Boot from the leopard install DVd and repair the startup drive (not permissions). reboot and see if that makes a differences. if not try to find out what's taking all the space. see this post for tools for that.
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=8188595&#8188595
10GB should not be hard to find.

Space for Archive and Install

Hello All,
I am having the same login problems everyone else seems to be having with a new twist, when i go to archive and install and hopefully fix this mess, i realize that i now only have 6gigs left on my hd, and i need 11 to install. I am assuming this is because leopard has already been installed once. Here is the kicker, it wouldnt be a big deal to make space on the hd, but i have no idea how to get to my files since i cannot login and cannot access finder! Any help would be greatly greatly appreciated!
Thanks
Ryan

Look at the root directory for your disk and check if there is a "Previous Systems" folder. If so, open it, and if there are multiple versions there, you may be able to safely delete one or more of them. Check the contents to be sure you're keeping the most recent copy. Hopefully, you have an external backup to restore from in case you have to 'erase and install' Leopard.

Can I Archive and Install From Leopard Up-To-Date Disc?

I'm a Mac newbie, so I apologize if this is an obvious question.
I purchased my iMac this month, so I received a Leopard Up-To-Date disc for $10. The CD says Upgrade on it, and I can't find any options for what type of install I want to run. I've seen things like Erase And Install, Archive and Install, and Upgrade posted here on the forums, but the only options I have are whether or not to install things like Core Services, X11, etc. Can I not perform an Archive and Install with this disc, and if I can't, is there any chance I could request a full CD from Apple?
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You should be able to -- when you get to the screen that asks you to choose your installation destination, highlight the drive, then you will see in the lower-left an options buttion. CLick it and you will find three choices: upgrade, archive/install and upgrade install. Choose the one you want and enjoy!
Keep in mind that when you put the disk in, the system will verify that the DVD is OK -- it takes a few minutes, but it is worth knowing that the disk is not corrupt before you start. Also, repairing permissions seems to take awhile -- just let it happen.

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