Tiger Classic-ified the OS9 on the other partition.
Hi,
I recently bought this G4 QS and a 5-license DVD of Tiger (black disk with a silver 'X'), both second-hand.
Being a newbie to OS X I also bought about 9 bookshelf inches of Tiger books.
I fitted the G4 with a new 140 Gb hard drive and partitioned it roughly 100/40, taking care to put the OS9 drivers on both partitions.
I then installed OS9.2.2 from a gray G4 installation CD onto both partitions (no apparent problems there) and then put Tiger onto the larger partition.
I opted for this configuration because I have several older applications and files on my various older Macs and one of the books advised choosing a dual-boot system because not all older apps will run under Classic mode. I want to be able to be able to access my legacy files in the transition period until I have got more familiar with Tiger.
Here are my questions:
Tiger has modified the OS9 on the larger partition (which I expected it to do) but it has also modified (Classic-ified) the copy of OS9 on the smaller partition as well, is this normal?
Will the machine behave properly as a dual-boot system?
Did I make some mistake with my installation procedure and, if so, should I try to correct it?
All helpful advice and suggestions will be gratefully received.
Best regards,
Pete.
Message was edited by: Limey Pete
Message was edited by: Limey Pete
Message was edited by: Limey Pete
OS X makes modifications to OS 9 to help classic mode. These modifications do not cause problems when you boot OS 9. There is normally no need for a separate partition for OS 9. OS 9 in an OS X partition can be used with OSX as Classic, or can be booted directly. There are a couple of reasons, though, why you might want separate partitions:
1) You need to run some OS 9 applications that require modifications to OS 9 that make it not work as Classic in OSX.
2) You want to be able to select OS 9 or Classic at boot time using the Option key. If they are in the same partition and boot is set to OS 9, you can get OSX by holding X while booting, but if it is set to OSX, you have to boot OSX, then choose OS 9 in the "Startup Disk" system preference.
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Since you know you are not entitled to keep music purchased by someone else, and since the music on the iPod was placed on it by someone else (who presumably bought it), what exactly do you think you can keep?
If "the music you wish to keep" is actually free of copyright (in other words, it can be freely copied and distributed to anyone), then presumably you can obtain that music from the same source that it came from originally. Since you would need to confirm for yourself that it is free of copyright, your best bet would be to locate that music from a legally available source rather than someone else's iPod.
If the music was given away free to the person who originally owned the iPod, you would still need to ensure that it's "free of copyright" and that it would be legal for you to keep it. The fact that one person legally obtained it for free does not automatically mean that anyone else can have a copy of it. Once again, you would need to confirm the facts.
As far as I know, Apple still do not allow anyone here to discuss methods of copying someone else's purchased music onto your iTunes, so even if anyone here knew how to do it, they cannot tell you. -
Classical Report for linking/applying the goods receipts transaction
Classical Report for linking/applying the goods receipts transaction quantities against oldest schedule line item dates and then downloading the file to Excel.
o Classical Interactive Reports for calculating average Day Payable Outstanding. Option 1) in summary by company code, vendor, currency. (w/ DPO calc) Option 2) in detail (w/o DPO calc) Option 3) special summary by vendor and roughly convert different currency into one currency of choice, using current YEARLY rate.
thow to do these objects
plz assist me
and how to transfer the data from from one server to other like 3.1 to 5.0
plz assist me
Edited by: Alvaro Tejada Galindo on Feb 21, 2008 5:28 PMHi,
You can use Call Transcation tcode
for calling the transaction u can pass values to the transaction by using SET PARAMETER ID and GET PARAMETER ID
technique.
For downloading use function module LIST_DOWNLOAD
or GUI_DOWNLOAD.
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