Tiger file vault vs Leopard

HELP!!!!
Okay, I installed Leopard this evening and filevault has a problem with my administrator account. Thus all my work in tiger is not available. It has to be somewhere as the GBs available tells me that 110 GB have been used.
Yes I do have a backup of most files but not the most recent and I have lost access to my address book along with all Safari bookmarks etc.
I can only use this thing thanks to a long since not used "Test" account.
Where did I go wrong? Yes i did have Filevault turned on in the old system
Please!!!!!!!!!!!!Hala

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Problems with snow leopard and file vault

I just installed snow leopard on my macbook. When I try to log on, I get a message "your home folder is protected by file vault and didn't open, it needs to be repaired. To repair folder and continue logging in click ok." When I click ok, I get the message "You are unable to log in to the user account at this time. Logging in to the account failed because an error occurred."
How do you turn off the file vault if you can't log in? Any solutions are greatly appreciated.

Boot to safe mode by holding the Shift key on boot.
Then you can turn filevault off and reboot normally.

Leopard File Vault lockout

So last night I decide to restart my mini like any other night and have done several times since installing Leopard. But this time- Once I return to the log in screen and enter my password (which is the main admin account as well) and a stall of 15 seconds, I get a message reading : "Your FileVault-protected home folder did not open and needs to be repaired. Click OK to repair the folder and continue logging in." Once I click 'OK,' there is another stall for around 55 seconds before another message appears : "You are unable to log in to the user account "John" at this time. Logging in to this account failed because an error occurred." I have not been able to log into that user since and must log in to one of the standard users another family member uses.
Any ideas? I've done the "control-s" reset password procedure.
Message was edited by: John Wex

It's not that simple. What happened is very human and very natural especially when you are a MAC fanatic - like me - and have been it for years. Let me explain. 6 years ago you create a MASTER PASSWORD - you use File Vault automatically to encrypt your data whenever you close down the computer (log out). You create another password (naturally) to log in every time you open your computer - Everything works perfectly for 6 years through many "wild animal" upgrades. As a fanatic MAC user I was one of the first that bought the Leopard upgrade. Waited in line for many hours outside the Apple Store in Tokyo Japan. I am not Japanese but live in Japan. This is anyway not the issue - Leopard is universal - all languages incl Jaoanese can be instralled - you choose 0 I have U.S. keyboard. When you finally get the much anticipated software, you rush home to be the first in the world (almost) to install it. Due to the time zone only New zealand is a couple of hours earlier. U.S. is the last to get it. You install Leopard and restart, your computer and you use your usual login password to log in which you have used for 6 years. What happened?? NOTHING. The desktop shake just like when you use a wrong password by mistake - anybody has tried that. You try again and again and again - but can't log in. Frankly you get a bit desperate. You can't read any support articles from Apple on the internet because you can't use your computer as you are still on the log in window. The computer is locked and I mean LOCKED. More secure that Pentagon. You use utilities on the installer disk to verify the disks - nothing is wrong with the installer disk nor the hard disk. You reinstall the software and try to log in again - but still can't log in. Then you get really annoyed. You use the utilities to change the password both master password and log in pass word. One at a time. Nothing works. You conclude that it must be the password (obviously), but you are 110% sure that you use the right password. The same as you have used for 6 years. You know that it works. You also conclude that Apple surely will not issue a major upgrade that automatically invalidates your password. That was actually where I was wrong but you have no idea about that yet. Who cares whether your password is 8 digits long? So finally I conclude that it must be a dream or I may have gone crazy. So I decide to go to sleep and hope that when I wake up everything will be OK, again I am convinced that I am must be doing something wrong. Must be me - cannot possibly be Apple that has goofed in it !!? You wake up in the morning and try again - and realize to your horror that IT WAS NOT A DREAM. You decide to go to the Apple Store and ask them to help you - I am talking about the Genius Desk. That was the very next day after the release. The genius (several) did not know abt the problem, but he did manage to log in to Root so there you can see the sparse home folder (encrypted though) plus the Document Folder and applications and other folders that are not encrypted - the desktop folder is encrypted together with all you emails and all other FILES. They told me to copy the sparse file (even encrypted) and the Document Folder, to a separate disk (just in case) and use the master password to try to log in - I did that while he looked at it. Had the portable disk ready -Still could not log in, and even the genius gave up. Even using the original master password did not work. The genius promised to call me if he got any info from Apple - as it was all new. Never called. I thought maybe I had screwed up the keychain or something else after reinstalling and changing passwords back and forth etc. After several days I managed however somehow to decrypt the encrypted home folder. I just double clicked directly on the encrypted sparse home file and even though there was a warning that said that if you did that I might damage the file or something horrable - since I had a copy I said what the heck and did it anyway. Believe it or not I got all data decrypted in a few seconds. Copied the decrypted files and restarted the computer but still could not log in with any password new or old. Since I had now most of the data files,I decided to initialize the hard disk and reinstall Leopard clean and then try to transfer the files from the decrypted Home folder (ex the portable storage device). It is not an easy job and the computer will never be the same. All the hundreds of 3rd party applications are lost. You can't just copy the application folder and hope it work - it doesn't You just have the DATA files. I am still trying to restore the computer to the originate state, which I realize is not impossible. It will never be the same even though I have the data files )some 150 GB of data The point is that had the original 8 digit password worked (don't tell me that this is not an oversight by Apple), I could have saved all this time and headache. Some people may have forgotten their Master Password after 6 years and they will surely loose all data. There is a very good chance that when you create one Master Password you may never ever have to to use it again, i.e. unless Apple make software that requires you to use it. In such case I would suggest to Apple that they put a red WARNING sticker on the case - but then again who dare to buy software with big red warning sticker on it. that says you you will need your master password (not log in password to use the Software) Most people will wonder what is a Master password - Don';t recall I have any and So they decide not to buy the upgrade. Apple decided to keep quiet and just sacrifice people like me. That was the cheapest solution.
I am very curious though to find out whether Apple actually knew that an 8 digit password created with the first OSX Operating system could not be used for Leopard. What is wrong with 8 or more digits??? why not 7 digits ? - this is a mystery to me. Apple has never explained why. Do you happen to know?? You will surely agree that this is a major major glitch - Try to Imagine that you cannot use your password to log in first time after you have installed the new Operating system.
Quite unbelievable. I would dare to bet that Microsoft has never had a similar problem. Tell me if I am wrong.
By the way are you working for Apple? You seem to defend them by the teeth. If you had gone through what I have then you wouldn't.

Tiger forgot my File Vault master??

A while back I tried File Vault, and as such set a master password. Due to some quirkiness, I turned File Vault off. Since I turned FV off, I wanted to change the master password to something easy just in case I decide to enable it again, and I don't want to forget my stronger password.
However, it seems that Tiger forgot my password! When trying to change the MP, I put in what I'm 99% sure is the right password, yet it is not accepted. Has anyone else had this issue? It's possible that I actually am not entering it properly, but if other people have the problem, then I know I'm not crazy.
Thanks!

Well, if you are not 100% sure about your master password, I'd say there is a good chance you aren't entering it correctly. The other outside chance is that the FileVault System Preferences have become corrupt.

Does Mozy back-up work with Snow Leopard and File Vault turned on?

I have SL and also have turned File Vault on. I am wondering if Mozy online back-up will work with SL and more importantly, will it work if I have File Vault turned on?
Thanks!

Mozy works with Snow Leopard just fine. However, FileVault isn't supported well yet. From the release notes:
"If you are using FileVault, please turn off automatic and scheduled backups in the Mozy preferences. You will need to initiate the backup process manually while you are logged in. We are working on a better way to support FileVault."
If you stay logged in all the time, Mozy will function properly. If Mozy runs a backup while you are logged out, it isn't smart enough to do the right thing. FileVault mounts a disk image for your home folder when you're logged in and unmounts it when you log out. This causes Mozy to think you no longer need those files.
"We are working on a better way to support FileVault."

Can't enable File Vault

Decided to try out Leopard on an external USB drive before overwriting Tiger.
Clean installation on an external USB drive(Intel Macbook) boots fine.
File Vault tells me I cannot enable as the Home Folder is not Mac OS Extended Journalled when it is - it's actually Journalled case-sensitive - should that matter?
Also tried installing a demo of Adobe Dreamweaver and that gives me an error of incompatible volume format.
Is this a known bug with external USB boots?
Another thing I can;t do is partition it to try out BootCamp.
Any ideas?
AC

I think the problem with a case-sensitive file system is that not all software vendors make Unix compatible products. If you have two files with the same name save the case, abc.txt and Abc.txt, some programs may crash because they "see" two "identical" files.
Until all the world agrees on case-sensitive names, then I would not recommend using such a file system. And as long as we have Winders, that won't happen.
In fact, I suspect some of the problems may well be from MS Office products running on BSD, but that's only a surmise. Then there is the networking problem when "talking" to a file system that is not case-sensitive.
I have read enough pro and con to consider that the world is not yet ready for case-sensitive file systems, especially on computers with dual-boot capability and that can run BSD and GUI apps at the same time.
Yes, FV and TM do not really conflict. It's the way FV encrypts your folders. It makes each folder look like a single large file, so TM cannot do anything with it but save it as a unit. If TM could look into the folder that would mean the encryption is useless, right?
Of course, you can exclude that folder from TM and back it up separately on your own.
The alternative would be for FV to encrypt each and every file separately, but that would probably slow down the processing more than doing in in one big chunk.
Also when using FV, TM only backs up after you log out, for obvious reasons (in retrospect), so nothing happens until you do log out, and then you can't turn the box off until TM does its thing.

Turning off File Vault

Turned on file vault a few months ago. Can't be too safe you know. Computer began running erratically. Many many odd things began to happen. iphoto could not find any of my 8000 photos. (photos are still on my hard drive though), Mail keeps making me re-establish mail as if I am a first time user, ical repeatedly dumps everything, items show up on my dock that weren't there before, items missing from the dock, lost all 200 of my bookmarks in Safari, all my system preferences are constantly being reset.
Called Apple support. He told me that I shouldn't have turned on file vault. Should only be used by government types. (my opinion is it shouldn't be used by anyone other than those who have a desparate desire to reload all of their software and OS) So we tried to turn off file vault. At that time there was 18 gigs free. File vault says there is not enough room to turn off. Apple rep tells me to buy an external hard drive to copy everything over and then reinstall the OS and all of my software and then bring over my files from the external hard drive. (Sound good so far?) I can't wait to start this process as I have loads of free time and nothing better to do with my life anyway! Oh, and I made an appt with an Apple Genius at the Genius bar at the Biltmore in Phoenix. He told me that I needed to do the same thing. When he tried to turn off file vault, it showed, for some reason, that now only 3 gigs were free. File vault said that if there was only 1kb more free space it could be turned off. So we deleted about a 130 MB of data, and file vault still came up with the same msg. So, after being told that apple does not provide this service and that I would have to fix this problem on my own, I walked out of the store with a brand new Iomega 160GB external hard drive and $160 less in my wallet, all the while veins bulging from my neck, blood pressure shooting through the roof and anger levels normally reserved for things like pay cuts and lost pensions. . So... now I am about to begin my wonderful adventure. First question I have is...If I transfer everything on my computer over to the Iomega while file vault is turned on, how will that effect the files that I bring back over to the Mac that now has file vault turned off? Do I have to bring back the files and programs, one by one by one, or is there a way to restore the entire thing with one operation? Will I get back my iphoto photo albums and all of my slideshows ? (I'm on my knees praying on this one)
Anyway, thanks for listening and for any help , or suggestions you may have and if I may say to others out there... never, ever, ever turn on file vault
P.S. I was a long time windows user, switched to Mac about a year and a half ago. Fell blissfully in love...until now. What made me switch to a Mac was the day that I was re-installed my operating system on my PC for the 6th time in 2 months. I've come full circle.

you would think, seeing how this is obviously a known bug, that apple would do a better job of explaining the setbacks of using FileVault. unfortunately, most of us "common people" aren't privy to this type of information until it's too late..as we're relentlessly searching forum posts at 2am because our 2 week old computer is riddled with error messages.
to my recollection, i never even activated FileVault. as i recall, i first noticed it when i installed Tiger, so i just wrote it off as a new feature. in fact, it ran successfully until i transfered all of my data from my old PowerBook over to my new iMac and then updated to Leopard. now, out of my remaining 233GB available, it's telling me i have less than 1GB left in my home folder. and, as everyone else has been saying, trying to just simply turn FileVault off is futile. it seems that no matter what you're going to get some sort of contradictory error message. for instance, i've only used 37GB of space in my home folder, yet when i go to turn FileVault off it tells me that i need to delete 41GB before i can turn it off. interesting.
fortunately i already have a 500GB external drive that i've since backed the entire contents of my HD onto. however, i'm curious, as captainphx's question from his initial thread went unanswered..if i copy these (encrypted) files over to my external drive, do a clean install of the OS, ensure that FileVault is turned OFF, then copy the files back to my iMac, will there be complications?
i'm going to attempt to call apple support tomorrow, so hopefully i can get this resolved. i'll follow up with the results of that discussion. if apple's not going to make this information readily available then, by god, i will.

Can't play long voice memo after upgrading from Tiger OS to Snow Leopard OS

I have a voice memo that's 1.5 hrs long saved on my computer that I used to be able to play in iTunes & Quicktime, but ever since I upgraded from Tiger OS to Snow Leopard OS, the file will not play anymore. I tried installing quicktime 7 from the snow leopard optional installs but the file still didn't play. I also installed the VLC player which opened the file, but only played 7 minutes of it. When I try to open the file in quicktime it says that it can't play the file and that it is not a movie file, but my file is saved as a ".mov" file. Does anyone know how I can get the file to play again?

I have a voice memo that's 1.5 hrs long saved on my computer that I used to be able to play in iTunes & Quicktime, but ever since I upgraded from Tiger OS to Snow Leopard OS, the file will not play anymore. I tried installing quicktime 7 from the snow leopard optional installs but the file still didn't play. I also installed the VLC player which opened the file, but only played 7 minutes of it. When I try to open the file in quicktime it says that it can't play the file and that it is not a movie file, but my file is saved as a ".mov" file. Does anyone know how I can get the file to play again?

Recovery Partition mandatory for File Vault and unencrypted TM Backup?

I recently had to setup my Macbook Pro from scratch meaning erasing the whole disk and start from there.
The update to Lion took already place a while ago and I had File Vault active. After making a last backup using
TM I erased the disk and all partitions including Recovery partition and used the Leopard system DVD to boot
the machine.
From there I used the restore function to restore my TM backup to the MacBook. However, as the drive was
not partioned and not formated, I had to do this manually. Apparently, the recovery process via TM does not include
that. After system recovery, I booted from the Macbook and all apps and configuration seemed ok.
I was a little surprised to see that I was able to do this recovery without being asked for ID and password of the user's File Vault access
or the File Vault recovery key. All I needed was the TM ID and password (which is different from the owners ID and password)
I am not sure if this is supposed to work like this but I looks rather easy to gain access to application an data of another user if that
is all it takes?
Now booting Lion again, I checked File Vault and noticed it was disabled although it was enabled for quite a while and long time
before I took the latest backup. I could not turn it on, after providing a recovery key and asking me wether I wanted to write it down
or safe it with Apple which I declined I wanted to reboot the notebook to start encryption but stopped saying my partition or volume
would not support File Vault. This was GUID and MacOS Extended Journal partition and volume which to my knowledge would
certainly support File Vault. In fact this is basically what I had before when File Vault was turned on and running.
I called Apple support a few times. The second agent told me that it does not work because there is not recovery partition on my
system but there was when I took the latest backup and I do have other means to get the recovery screen. Anyway it seems that
File Vault required a local Recovery partition and I was wondering if anyone can tell me why this dependency exist. If I write down the
recovery key, why would I need it to be stored on my disk as well?
Also, if anyone has an idea if there is a way of creating a local recovery partition without having to go through the lenghty process of installing
Leopard then upgrade to Lion and install all the apps and configure the OS again, would be great? I assume when I am back on Lion and use the TM
backup for recovery, I probably end up with having the Recovery partition deleted and start from scratch again.
I am a little concerned about the fact that it seems so easy to gain access to a protected backup and that the TM restore process does not include
restoring partition and volumes as well. Who knows how many other dependencies exist and users have to reinstall their system again after recovery.
I was following the recovery instruction of Apple but perhaps someone knows a better way to do this?

Just an update, I went ahead and installed Lion again over the existing TM restored installation using the Lion Update file and at least File Vault is working. Interestingly, I still do not have a Recover partition so obviously something new for Apple Support to learn.

What to do if you simultaneously run Time Machine and File Vault

Never do what is mentioned in the subject line; even if you decrypt your drive, it does not spread to Time Machine, and so if you ever need to do a system restore, File Vault will forget your password and lock you out of your own system.
Thankfully, I ended up having recourse. The solution is to log in as root and create a disk image from the last Time Machine backup, "latest," and then duplicate that disk image. Having done that, paste the files into the user folder of your choice, recreating the account you have lost.

Realistically, your only option is to upgrade to an Intel-based Mac.
There is no way to use iCloud on a Mac running anything lower than OS X 10.7.2 - not even Snow Leopard.
You can access iCloud.com through a web browser on your current computer, but you'd need a Mac running 10.7.2 to move to iCloud and it wouldn't sync anyway...

Possible bug during logout with Time Machine and File Vault enabled?

I have File Vault enabled on my machines so when I logout from them they do a backup to my Time Capsule.
*I don't login as root!*
Yesterday when I logged of everything was normal in the beginning.
All windows were closed and the progressbar showed up with the backup. Approx: halvway in the backup the finder was showned again.
See image: http://www.liajnad.se/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/leopard-logout.jpg
I couldnt open o terminal window as root but I was able to browse around in the filesystem as root even though I hadn't login as root.
Anyone else seen this problem?

Just to clarify, the new finder that was started had *root privilegies!*

I have upgraded to 10.6.8 on my macbook pro and find I don't have pages. Pages in app store is for 10.10 only. How can I access all my pages files in Snow Leopard?

I have upgraded to 10.6.8 Snow Leopard from Leopard on my macbook pro and now cannot read and write pages. Pages in app store is for 10.10 and above. I don't have a pages application. Where can I get pages for snow leopard?

It's been so long since I bought my macbook pro in August of 2010, but I do remember the iwork disk that had pages, numbers, and keynote on it, but I can't find the disk in my closet. I did not realize that when I took my computer in to the genius bar to upgrade to Snow Leopard, and then to download Yosemite, that I would lose these applications. I had no reason to open pages when I emptied my hard drive to upgrade to Snow Leopard, so I don't know if I kept iwork when I upgraded to Snow Leopard at the Genius Bar. I had file vault on with my external drive on, and since removed it before the upgrade, but now all my documents are unable to open on my external drive. ****. So now the new problem is how do I undo file vault in a new OS 10.10 when encoded in 6.8? Can I take my external drive in to Genius Bar?
I bought my macbook pro at Best Buy, but can't remember if iwork came with this computer, or with an older mac I bought. Can anyone check to see if I have a valid key code, and will insertion of an iwork disc allow me to use pages with Yosmite?

Solution for File Vault Error.

I just got off the phone from Apple Tech support (Holding for 20 minutes on a 10th attempt) I could not get past the log-in screen. "File Vault error needs to be repaired". This is what Brandon from Apple told me to do.
1)Restart Computer holding down the "c" key.
2)Follow the onscreen instructions until you get to "Select Drive to install to"
3)Select your drive-click customize
4)Select the 2nd option, (install and do back of of files) and uncheck the box below the option...sorry I can't remember what the option is...Im in the middle of trying it now.
5)continue.
6)If you have already screened the install DVD, there is no reason to do this step again, it is ok to skip to install.
If this does not work you need to erase and install, however, you will need to do a file transfer to another mac computer via fire-wire by holding down the "T" key during start up prior to erasing the drive and installation of Leopard.

I would really love to try this, as I am having the same problem, but even after removing everything possible in the customization, I don't have enough disk space to do so. Probably because I used it all installing the operating system the FIRST time. I don't want to have to do an erase and re-install. I didn't back up nearly enough stuff last time because I was assured I wouldn't need to.
Now, it's after hours so I can't talk to apple and I am stuck with my husband's PC. Ew.

File Vault Stripping Permissions

(Note: this is reposted here at the suggestion of a sysadmin on the Tiger group).
I've written a C++ application that will be used by both Windows and OSX clients. The app is simple and console based and is distributed as a simple binary file, compiled separately for Windows and as a Universal OSX application. I edit with AquaEmacs and compile from within using a simple makefile. I don't think any of this is relevant, but it might so I share it.
I've sent the file to one of my OSX testers who happens to be using an Intel Mac (MacBook) running OSX 10.4.10. The file is named "Sartain" and I send it as a file attachment to an email, not it .dmg format. Just for insurance, I use chmod to set file permissions to universal r,w,x (sudo chmod 777 Sartain). With this background, here is the problem I'm trying to sort out.
My tester seems to receive this file as "Sartain." (note the period). Moreover, when he tries to execute the file (./Sartain) from his home directory, he gets "permission denied". I had him check permissions and the received file has stripped off all the write and execute permissions, leaving him only with universal "read" permission. The only way he can run the program is to use chmod to reset permissions.
He is not a Mac sophisticate and so I don't really know what to have him check. He reports that he DOES NOT use virus protection on the machine but he has FILE VAULT turned on. This is the only thing I can think of that would produce this problem. I've scanned the net widely but cannot find conclusive evidence that FILE VAULT changes permissions on received files, but I'm stumped where else to look. He uses a Novell email client and I suppose that his mail server could be stripping off the permissions, but I'd like to rule out FILE VAULT before having to phone his sysadmins to find out what the default setting is on their mail server.
Any thoughts here would be welcome. Thanks for your help.

I don't think this problem has anything to do with File Vault or a virus or anything else on the recipients machine. Rather it's due to trying to send the raw executable file through the e-mail system. File permissions are not contained within the file and hence would not be transferred when you attached the file to an e-mail message.
The addition of the "." (period) on the end of the attachment name may also be a side effect of sending through the mail system.
I think you'd have better luck putting the file in a disk image and sending the .dmg file. The file should definitely keep it's permissions within the dmg and I think it will also retain them once the recipient drags the file out of the dmg.
Steve

Can't turn off File Vault

My initial problem with File Vault was that I am running out of space even though the drive has additional capacity. In an earlier post I learned that this is due to the fact that when File Vault is turned on it is effectively it's own volume. Unfortunately I do not have enough disk space to turn off File Vault. I installed a new 500GB drive and installed Leopard. When I attempt to turn off File Vault I am still getting a message that I do not have enough disk space to turn it off. It appears as though the additional space is required on the same File Vault volume regardless of the size of the hard drive. I'm sure I must be doing something wrong, but this seems absurd.

I am having the same issue. I have 180 GB free on my HD, but my "home" volume only has 15GB free and I cannot turn off File Vault. Other than moving my whole music library and then deleting it, I don;t know how to get the space I need and turn the d..m file vault off.
Gary, if you solved the problem, please let me know how.

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