Tiger hates SCSI?

I'm running a Minolta Dimage Scan Multi II, a film scanner, which is SCSI, and I run it off an Adaptec SCSI card in my Quicksilver G4.
The scanner always worked fine until I upgraded the OS from 10.3.9 to 10.4.9. After the upgrade, the scanner wouldn't work right anymore. When I tell it to scan, it hangs up, yet claims that it did scan, etc. etc; --in short, lots of errors, and no scanning.
I tried to fix things by installing a different SCSI card, which didn't work, then I tried all the old SCSI voodoo tricks, changing termination and SCSI ID numbers etc. etc. -- no go. I tried logging in from a different account--no change. The scanner just won't work under 10.4.9.
Then I booted into an external Firewire hard drive with 10.3.9 on it, and the scanner works fine again. Summary: the scanner works fine under 10.3.9. It won't work under 10.4.9.
So, I must conclude that something changed in the OS when Apple upgraded it, something that made it unfriendly to SCSI cards or devices.
Can anyone else confirm this? Is there any fix other than going back to an earlier version of OS-X?
Tom
G4 Quicksilver 1 GHz DP Mac OS X (10.4.9) 1.5 GB of RAM

I can find a slide scanner much cheaper today than I was able to 5 years ago. Even a simple HP Scanjet 3970 is only $100. A Microtek Scanmaker i800 is only $300. It used to be such scanners cost well over $1000. So your statement that Apple is making software that makes expensive scanners obsolete comes with a tradeoff of making cheaper scanners available that can do more for less. The current operating system is 10.4.10, and that has added functionality to include the iPhone. So the question is, are you looking more towards the future, or do you wish to sit behind in the past? Granted I'm not saying what they are doing is right or wrong. I'm just looking at it from an objective point of view. Sooner or later people are going to have to choose between sticking with the past as it still works, or moving to the future. You aren't forced to upgrade for any purpose. But having your cake and eat it too would require more testing than any one company has time to do. There are over 23,000 compatible Mac products on http://guide.apple.com/ Think Apple has 23,000 factorial seconds in the universe to test them all together in every possible combination? Look at a calculator, and you'll see that's well over the age of the universe.
No, you have to decide where you want to be within the realm of compatibility. Save up for the future if you need the future. Otherwise hold on to the past until you can save up for the future. That's the way the computer industry has always been.
The compatibility testing is going to have to come from the third parties you rely on. Apple just needs to make a stable enough platform for you to work on. If the third parties can't all be in sync, it is because the computer industry is a lot more complicated than you give it credit for.
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I connect it on a Adaptec 2930,
I try with OS9 and same problem
I install the software Adaptec for OSX
If you have a idea?
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Sorry, long post to follow.
A list seems the best way to describe this problem
1) I found an old scsi drive that had os 9.22 on it and wanted to run it in classic on os 10.4.11
2) I installed the old adaptec 2906 card in a G4 Digital Audio connected the drive and booted into tiger.
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The Tiger DVD is the black boxed retail universal version. It's not a grey system-specific version. (However, the Yikes will boot from a grey system-specific DVD for my TiBook. Go figure).
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I just ran out yesterday and got a new battery to see if that would help. Reset PMU and PRAM again after it was installed, no difference.
I'm pretty familiar with the installation instructions, but I've gone back over them just in case. There's no mention of anything like this. Like I said before, this seems to have stumped the folks over at macosx.com, too. I'm beginning to think there's some weird little quirk in this particular machine.
Thanks for trying, though!
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