Tiger on eMac = Disaster!

I have upgraded a dual G5 to Tiger (10.4, 10.4.3 etc..)...no problems. Tried to do the same on an eMac (2nd Gen w/ATI) - DISASTER! eMac freezes afer several minutes of use (AND I MEAN A TOTAL FREEZE - HAVE TO PHYSICALLY SHUT IT DOWN). I tried, system restores, re-installing, software updates, ran hardware tests...you name it...spent over 72 hours to no avail. It just doesn't work. When I did my 5th sysem restore, I then chose to only update to 10.3 (Panther) - no problems. I am certain I am not the only one with this problem. Has anyone heard about incompatibilities with eMAcs and 10.4 becasue they do exist. I do no beleive it is my system as I have ran several well known apps testing for harware/software problems using 3rd party software as well as Apple's own harware tester. Everything checks out perfectly.

It's possible that one of the RAM modules is failing or not meeting spec for Tiger. Unfortunately, you can't remove the third-party module or you won't have sufficient RAM to run Tiger. The other possibilities are a dead internal backup battery causing PRAM corruption, a bad motherboard (unlikely since you say you've had no problems with Panther), may have some problem with the hard drive. Try doing an extended format (unless you've already tried this.)
1a (If this is the startup drive.) Boot from your OS X Installer Disk. After the installer loads select Disk Utility from the Installer menu (Utilities menu if using Tiger.) Be sure to use the installer disk for the version of OS X you intend to install.
1b (If this is a non-startup volume or external drive.) Open Disk Utility in the Utilities folder of your Applications folder.
2. After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
3. Set the number of partitions from the dropdown menu (use 1 partition unless you wish to make more.) Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled, if supported.) Click on the Partition button and wait until the volume(s) mount on the Desktop.
4. Select the volume you just created (this is the sub-entry under the drive entry) from the left side list. Click on the Erase tab in the DU main window.
5. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled, if supported.) Click on the Options button, check the button for Zero Data and click on OK to return to the Erase window.
6. Click on the Erase button. The format process will take 30 minutes to an hour or more depending upon the drive size.

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