Tiger, OR Leopard ! on G3 iBook !! ?????

Hi,
I would like to upgrade my iBook G3 to Tiger or LEOPARD MAYBE?, since I've decided not to sell the laptop (Mostly because it has a 14' screen). The Q here is how Tiger will run on my machine. I did replace the HD to a 5400 RPM when the old Toshiba went down, but I'm wondering how Tiger runs on iBook G3 dual USB right now. Should I wait for Leopard? I figure it will either run much better or much worse on older machines than Tiger. My ram is maxed out here.
Please chime in w/any and all opinions!
thanks,
Garth.
iBook 800 mHz - 640 ram Mac OS X (10.2.x)

I am here running tiger on my clamshell iBook G3 with 192MB of ram, its a little slow but definetly gets the job done. I would at least go with tiger, it you want a little more ram, just go to http://eshop.macsales.com/shop/memory/iBooks-PowerBooks/G3-iBook/ for some cheep upgrades. As the owner or 3 G3s (powermac, ibook, and imac) I am very dissapointed to hear that Leopord wont support them, but you can bet im going to test that as soon as possible.

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< http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/ibook/stats/ibook_g4_1.33_12.html >:
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Message was edited by: Gary Sumlak

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Although, the client can now connect to the server, for it to take 10 minutes will be unacceptable to management, not to mention the end user. Tiger clients can connect in a couple seconds!
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Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
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And officially for Leopard you need:
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The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
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This is the 1st version of this tip. It was submitted on Dec 23, 2009 by a brody.
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Mac OS X 10.4 Tiger, and Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard come on what appear to be larger than 4.7 GB discs. This does not mean you need a dual layer drive to install them. Some Macs capable of installing Tiger or Leopard came with a built-in CD-RW, or CD-ROM drive. For those a compatible Firewire DVD drive for booting Mac OS X can work instead of replacing the internal drive. Tiger also came in a limited edition Media Exchange Program CD installer package, which you may be able to find in the open market. The limitation for each is dependant on other hardware:
1. If your Mac shipped new with no Firewire, you may be able to install Tiger a special third party addon software known as XPostFacto.
2. If your Mac shipped new with less than 867 Mhz built-in processor (including dual processor 800 MHz or less), you may be able to install Leopard with a special third party addon software known as Leopard Assist.
3. If your Mac shipped with a processor upgrade card installed, and #2 is true, a firmware update may be available from the processor upgrade card vendor that allows Leopard's installation.
4. Tiger needs at least 256 MB of RAM.
Leopard needs at least 512 MB of RAM.
If you have a lot of dashboard widgets, you may need to increase RAM to improve performance on either operating system. The RAM needs to follow Apple's specs to ensure smooth operation. Only get RAM with a lifetime warranty.
5. Officially you need for Tiger:
"At least 3 GB of free disk space; 4 GB if you install the XCode 2 Developer Tools" from: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1514
And officially for Leopard you need:
"9 GB of available disk space or more" from http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3759
However, I would add to that if your hard drive doesn't have at least 15% of the drive free in addition to that, you may experience significant slowing down in the operating system function. This number has been arbitrarily discovered by many users.
6. When installing Tiger or Leopard, if your machine shipped with Panther (10.3) or earlier, be sure to get the retail Tiger or retail Leopard.
The Tiger installer is a san serif gray and white X with a spotlight on the center of the X on a black background.
The Leopard installer is a san serif black and gray X on a pink galaxy centered on a black background.
This is the 1st version of this tip. It was submitted on Dec 23, 2009 by a brody.
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Can I run Tiger and Leopard on the same computer

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Steven:
Next... I'm going to really push the limits and try installing Leopard on my Bondi Blue G3...
Wow! That's really pushing it! Let us know how it goes.
Those of us who have older hardware know that there are many users who run later Operating Systems on non-supported hardware using helper utilties like XPostFacto. There are always those who push the limits, and I expect it will be done again. For me, I see no other reason for wanting to intall Leopard at this time.
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