Tiger's lack of Classic

I recently replaced a damaged hard drive with a new one direct from Apple. I was running OS 10.4.8 before the accident and easily used the Classic mode when running several odler programs I own.
Now that I have a new harddrive, OS X 4.8 tells me I no longer have Classic to use my programs. I assume this is because I have a new harddrive and did not backup my older operating systems when I replaced it (I backed up important media and other third-party programs).
Is there a download for Classic to run in OS X 4.8? I haven't found one. Is there something else I can do? I have my startups for OS X.2 from my original purchase of my powerbook.
Powerbook 12" 512 RAM 60 GB Mac OS X (10.4.8) replaced harddrive/battery in Feb 2007

Hi Benjamin,
first of all: WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSIONS!
You can reinstall Classic from the disks that originally shipped with your computer. Depending on the exact version there are different procedures for the reinstall:
Using Apple Software Restore to install or reinstall parts without erasing (Mac OS X 10.1.5 or earlier)
Using Restore Discs with Mac OS X 10.2 through 10.3.3
Mac OS X 10.4: Restoring applications from a Mac OS X 10.2 Software Restore disc
Using Restore discs with computers that ship with Mac OS X 10.3.4 through 10.3.7
Using Restore discs with computers that ship with Mac OS X 10.3.7 or later
Mac OS X: Reinstalling Mac OS 9 or recovering from a software restore
Mac OS X 10.2, 10.3: How to perform Mac OS 9 clean installation with Restore CDs

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Tiger and USB and Classic connection problems

I have two instances where a USB device that worked in Panther/Classic will not connect/work in Tiger 10.4.3/Classic.
One is StylusRIP software from Epson that I use to print Postscript files (mainly from IllustratorCS) with my Epson Stylus 3000. When it's working, the RIP runs in Classic, but shows up as a printer choice in the Print Center. It worked fine in Panther/Classic, but since I upgraded to Tiger the printer is not recognized. The printer works in OSX using the non-Postscript driver, so I know that basic connectivity (cables, ports, etc.) is OK.
The other is a RoboLab USB infrared transmitter. Same scenario.
While troubleshooting the transmitter, I tried booting into OS9 (on my G4) and the connection was made. It worked fine. I tried the same thing with StylusRip, and it too worked fine, the printer was recognized.
My USB Epson scanner still works in OSX, but it has a native driver.
Can anyone tell me what could be different about the way Tiger handles USB that could affect the interoperability with devices/software that require Classic?
Any suggested troubleshooting? Is it possible to "reset" the USB ports? I've reset the PRAM, haven't tried resetting NVRAM.

Thanks for your reply. Yes, I am running 9.2.2. The only thing that changed was the update to Tiger. I have called ESPON, and they refer me to Adobe because they licensed the RIP from Adobe. I've not had any success with that yet. The last update of RIP does not support the Stylus 3000 printer, and I don't think it's native anyway. The set-up I was using was a "non-supported workaround", so I may just be out of luck. Which is a pain, because the printer still has some miles on it. I may try to see if I can use an older Mac running 9.2.2 as a print server.
Robolab has an OSX native update out, so we will get that.
What I found curious was that both pieces of software, or the USB connectivity required by both, was broken by Tiger.

AppleWorks, Tiger and OS 9-Classic

I have just had a system crash-long story - finally erased hard drive and started from scratch. I installed Tiger which apparently no longer includes Classic (OS 9). A good thing, I thought - didn't like having it take up space on the hd. At least I didn't think I did. However, AppleWorks 6 will not install - it keeps looking for Classic. Now what do I do? I still have a System 9 cd from when it was the newest system. Do I dare install it? Or is there a newer version of AppleWorks that doesn't need Classic?
G5 Power Mac Mac OS X (10.4.5)

Maybe when you quote a poster you should include the whole quote instead of truncating it.
I like iWork, it is a wonderful application, but did I every say it was better? I don't think so. What I said was, unless you need AppleWorks for the spreadsheet application then it is worth switching to iWork.
iWork has a much better word processor and presentation software. The graphics are immensely better and so are the templates. To reiterate what I said, unless you need the spreadsheet I'd go with iWork.
You've seem to taken your anger at Apple decision to start to move toward iWork and direct it toward me. Why, I do not know. It's Apple you're mad at, not me.
All I did was simply suggest an alternate software suite instead of AppleWorks that may better Jsorell.
Please don't take this as a personal insult, which you've obviously done. This post was discussed over two weeks ago and if all you wanted to do was help Jsorell you'd have realized the post had ended and there was not need to post.

Tiger doesn't see Classic?

I have Tiger (MacOS X 10.4.4) running on my iMac G5. I just tried to run a Classic application and the system complained that I didn't have a version of MacOS 9 installed that supported Classic.
I do have a System Folder that contains some version of MacOS 9.2.2. This had to have been installed as part of my initial Tiger installation, since I did a wipe-and-install of Tiger about 3 months ago.
Any ideas on how to get Classic running on my iMac?
iMac G5 Mac OS X (10.4.4)

I have Tiger (MacOS X 10.4.4) running on my iMac G5.
I just tried to run a Classic application and the
system complained that I didn't have a version of
MacOS 9 installed that supported Classic.
I do have a System Folder that contains some
version of MacOS 9.2.2.
Do you have, at the root level on your boot hard drive, a System Folder with yellow-orange '9' on it and a System folder (note the name...) with a blue 'X' on it? If you only have blue 'X', then you do NOT have OS 9/Classic installed. If you have a System Folder which does not have an orange '9', then OS 9/Classic is installed, but not operational. (Not 'blessed'.) The fast way to bless a OS 9/Classic System Folder is to:
1 verify that both the Finder and the System are present in the folder
2 drag one of the two out of the folder
3 wait a few seconds
4 drag it back into the folder.
If the Finder and/or the System are not in the System Folder then you have a bad install. Reinstall the System Folder. In fact, delete the old System Folder and go from scratch.
This had to have been
installed as part of my initial Tiger installation,
Tiger does not install OS 9/Classic.
since I did a wipe-and-install of Tiger about 3
months ago.
You probably killed the OS 9 System Folder then.
Any ideas on how to get Classic running on my
iMac?
Your iMac's system discs (which may/may not be Tiger discs) should have an option to install OS 9/Classic.

Does Tiger for PPC include classic?

I want to run classic inside of Tiger but I need to know if I need to upgrade from panther, or does Tiger include classic.

Tiger includes the program that is able to run a Mac OS 9.1 or higher System Folder as Classic. If that Mac OS 9 System Folder is not present, Classic will not load. If you attempt to erase and install your operating system, you will lose that System Folder, and be required to reload it another way.
Macs of different ages have different capabilities when it comes to Classic. The dates below are when specific models were released as new Macs according to the spec pages:
http://support.apple.com/specs/
11/1997-7/2002 The G3 and G4 Macs released during this period (except the original G3/250 Powerbook) can use the 9.2.1 retail installer disc to install Mac OS 9. If they shipped with a version of 9, they can only use a newer retail version of 9 to install 9 for use with the Classic environment. A minimum of 9.1 needs to be installed to use Classic. The article below lists which versions of 9 each Mac shipped with:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=25517
If you need to upgrade to 9.1 or higher, follow the directions in this article:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=75288
Also check if the firmware needs to be updated before installing 10.2 or later:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=86117
8/2002-12/2002 The Macs which shipped new during this period shipped with a restore 9 installer disc and could not use the retail installer disc for Mac OS 9. Call AppleCare if you are missing those discs:
http://www.apple.com/contact/phone_contacts.html
To install Classic from the restore discs, follow the directions in this article:
http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61802
867 Mhz Macs and faster Macs that shipped during this period 11/1997-12/2002 can also boot into 9 when Leopard (10.5) is installed, but can't use Classic unless Tiger (10.4) or earlier is installed on a separate bootable hard disc, or partition of the boot hard drive. Pre-Firewire Powermac G4s which shipped during the next time period also have this ability if they were 867 Mhz or faster.
1/2003-12/2005 The machines which shipped new during this period (except the PowerMac G4 pre-Firewire 800 which could boot into 9) could only use Classic, and thus once upgraded to Leopard can't use Classic anymore. If you kept a separate partition or booted off an external hard drive that had Tiger they could continue to use Classic. Article http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61802 still applies for restoring Classic to Tiger and older operating systems on these Macs.
1/2006 - present Intel Macs which shipped during this time period can't use Classic at all.

Using Tiger and Mac OS9 (Classic)

I just got an old Powerbook G4 off eBay so I can run Classic. I miss Bugdom so much!!
Problem is it has no OS installed, so I installed my old copy of Tiger on it and updated to 10.4.11.
How can I install OS 9 on it? I have CDs of 9.0, 9.1 and 9.2.1 but it won't start from any of them. I read somewhere that the older Powerbooks will only start up from the original restore CDs that were supplied with them, and needless to say I do not have them.
I am not certain of the exact vintage and model, but it is a G4, 1GHz, 64Mb Video RAM 15" display with gigabit ethernet.
If anyone can offer some advice I would be very grateful.

All I have is a CD with 9.2.2 on as a barebones system with various utilities. I tried the drag and drop method but it didn't work well enough to run much. It started OK, but it would allow me to run ant 3rd party programs I tried, including Bugdom and Tome Viewer. Unfortunately I don't have another non-Intel Mac.

Installing/Using Tiger with Classic

Hello:
I would like to know how to install Tiger and still keep Classic on my iMac. I currently have 35.55 GB available.
I would also like to know how to use Tiger & Classic together
(switch back & forth) on the same iMac.
Thank you.

Hi Steve,
you just install Tiger alongside OS 9 and can choose between these through the "startup volume" preference pane.
1. You will have to exchange the Tiger install DVD for CDs unless you upgraded your iMac with a DVD-drive already: Media Exchange Program
2. Insert the install CD and reboot while holding down the c-key.
3. After the installer has started and you selected your language, go to the menu and open "Disk utility". Once there select "Repair OS 9 permissions" from the menu.
4. Repair the disk
5. Quit disk utility and proceed with a normal install
6. After the restart Repair permissions!
7. Download and apply the Mac OS X Update 10.4.8 Combo PPC
8. Repair permissions before and after an update!
9. Run software update from the Apple menu and apply all remaining updates.
Good luck!
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Need help installing mac os 9.1 for classic on tiger

hi,
i first bought a official copy of os 9.0 then tiger said you need 9.1 so i bought 9.1 and when i hold c at startup no go...so i try booting up in system preferences no go. then when i double click install it says it already had 9.1 installed and i should have 9.2???? but there is nothing in the classic folder.
also i tried dragging and dropping the sytem folder and utilities from the os9.1 cd into the classic folder and then the computer startsup with a question mark over folder and refuses to boot up. so i had to reinstall tiger. help i want classic.
this is a titanium poerbook with the option of os9 startup

Hi Benjamin,
first of all: WELCOME TO THE DISCUSSIONS!
There is no need to buy OS 9 retail disks - and depending on what generation PowerBook you have you won't even be able to use them (Macintosh: Some Computers Only Start Up in Mac OS X).
You can reinstall OS 9 (Classic) from the software install&restore disks that originally shipped with your computer: Click on "Support" on top of this page, then type "reinstall classic" into the search field. From the results select the version of your original disks for detailed instructions how to resinstall OS 9.
BTW: No need to buy 9.1 or 9.2 disks. They are free updates and available here: Mac OS 9: Available Updates

Reinstalling Classic under Tiger

Hello,
My Power Mac G5 (July 2003 brand) came with Jaguar installed on it and with a "grey" DVD, labeled "Software Install and Restore (includes Apple Hardware Tests)" (I'm translating from French, so the actual English title might be different).
Then, I upgraded to Panther and later to Tiger, (doing archive and install installations).
Now, in order to tidy things up a little, I've done a clean install of Tiger on a separate disk, and I'd like to do a clean install of Classic as well.
THIS topic at Apple support says that I should insert the "Additional Software & Apple Hardware Test" disc that came with my computer, double-click "Install Additional Software, and follow the onscreen instructions.
That’s what I've done with the "gray" DVD I mentioned above: a utility called "Software restoration" (again, as translated from French) has been installed and has been automatically launched, asking me to insert again that grey DVD -it even displayed a picture of the DVD label. However, it looks like the DVD was not recognized as the right one, so nothing happened and the only button displayed was "Quit". I've repeated the same steps several times with no success.
I’m sure doing something wrong, but what ?
Thanks for any help

Thanks to both of you.
BDAqua was perfectly right:
I ran again Software Restore, but this time under Panther instead of Tiger, and O Miracolo the DVD was accepted and all the restoring options displayed neatly aligned, as well as the Continue button.
Actually, Software Restore looks like it is not compatible with Tiger. Note also that the grey DVD in question was shipped with Jaguar (and has Jaguar on it), not Panther.
Anyway, I'm going to upgrade to Leopard, but I'll keep Tiger at hand for Classic. Since I'm also going to abandon Panther -RIP , I won't be able to run Software Restore anymore. So, I'll follow BDAqua advice by saving a fresh, clean copy of Classic that I could copy back to my Tiger partition in case I need to reinstall it.

Classic mac for osx tiger?????

hi,
when i try to play older games like starcraft 1...ect on my mac it keeps asking for classic mode. where and how would i get that?
remember to explain it like you were talking to a three yr old. ....since i have been a windows guy my entire life.
thanks very much.
ps...i have the tiger osx 10.4.....thanks!

so my mac does have that folder but the os9 is not on the computer as it fails to open it when i click start/stop..
What all is in that folder please?
is this os9 disk something i could get on craigslist or a similar website?
Quite often, but you also might score a whole OS9.2.2 Mac for less money these days.
.i am currently trying to install leopard on my g4...is that a smart switch from tiger?
Maybe, but Classic/OS9 support was dropped in 10.5.
10.5.x Leopard is also twice as big, uses 2-4 times the resources, so unless you need a new iPhone or iPad, I'd forget that.
At the Apple Icon at top left>About this Mac.
Then click on More Info>Hardware and report this upto but not including the Serial#...
Hardware Overview:
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Model Identifier: PowerMac6,4
Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (1.2)
Processor Speed: 1.42 GHz
Number Of CPUs: 1
L2 Cache (per CPU): 512 KB
Memory: 2 GB
Bus Speed: 167 MHz
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Adding Classic to Tiger

I've searched this topic but didn't see any postings that quite fit my situation, so I'm asking. I apologize if this has been answered already!
I just purchased a slot-loading iMac (600MHz, 120GB) to replace an old one that died. It came to me with Tiger 10.4.6 installed on it. I'm told that Tiger no longer has Classic built in to it....
How do I go about installing Classic onto my machine? I don't have the discs for Tiger. What I DO have is install discs for 10.1.2 (w/ 9.2.2), 10.2 and 10.3.
I'd be grateful if someone could walk me through the process....
Thanks
Michael

Hi mapiper;
I don't know why you were told that Tiger no longer has Classic builtin because I have Classic running on my Quad.
I would suggest you ask at the at this Link. The users at this forum will be able to tell you exactly what you need to do to get Classic on iMac.
Allan

Tiger 10.4.5 -- Help. Need Classic. Where do I get it?

I have A tiger DVD. No Classic installer on it.
I have a 9.1 Disc. It won't let me boot up from it. When I hold the C key down & restart, I just get the flashing question mark. It won't let me install it when Tiger is running either.
I have tried my original discs that came with the powerbook, but they are 9.0 & classic wants 9.1, so it won't let me even upgrade to 9.1.
I have no restore discs. I don't know where to get them.
What am I supposed to do?
Thanks

How is your your 9.1 disk labeled? Does it say it is an updater or installer? Does it say anything about being for a particular Mac model? You should use only a retail 9.1 installer disk or one specifically for your Mac for startup or installation. (This is likely why you can't startup from the disk you have.)
Do you still have 9.0 installed? Can you startup into it? If so, you should be able to upgrade to 9.1, either with the 9.1 CD you have (if it is an updater) or by downloading the update. If 9.0 is not installed, you should still be able to startup from your original disks that came with your PB. This will allow you to install OS 9 & then upgrade it as above.
You should consider downloading the 9.2 update as well.

Tiger 10.4 -- How Do I get Classic on there?

I have A tiger DVD. No Classic installer on it.
I have a 9.1 Disc. It won't let me boot up from it. When I hold the C key down & restart, I just get the flashing question mark. It won't let me install it when Tiger is running either.
I have tried my original discs that came with the powerbook, but they are 9.0 & classic wants 9.1, so it won't let me even upgrade to 9.1.
I have no restore discs. I don't know where to get them.
What am I supposed to do?
Thanks

Hi, Tinderbox -
If the OSX 10.4 is from a retail package, it does not
include the ability to install Classic.
However, you should be able to install OS 9 for use
as Classic from the disks that came with that
machine.
If the machine came with a separate OS 9 Install
disk, boot to it, and run the installer. If you do
nothing else, you will probably get a complaint that
an 'unknown version' newer OS is already present. The
solution is to do a Clean Install of OS 9. A Clean
Install of OS 9 will not erase anything.
Article #58176 - Mac OS 8, Mac OS 9: Performing
a Clean Installation
Aside - your machine specs show your G4 as being
1.5GHz. There's no G4 model with that speed. Is it
perhaps a 1.25GHz model? The first 1.25GHz model was
in the first G4 MDD model series, had dual 1.25GHz
processors, and came with OSX 10.2.x (Jaguar) along
with OS 9.2.2 on a common set of install disks.
Hey Don,
You're right how can my computer be 1.5GHZ and still be a G4?? Well I cheated and up graded my process over 3 years ago and made it go faster. My computer is originally 533Mhz.
Back to the subject, I did what you advised and it totally worked. I preformed a clean install and then restarted my computer and there it was the OS 9 System Folder running under OS 9 Classic on Tiger!!!
Thanks again! You were very helpful.

Game does not run well in Classic

On one of my computers, I am still running Panther and OS 9. The only reason for this is that I have an old mahjong (OS 9) game which I like quite much. When I upgraded to Tiger, I also installed Classic and I could run the game, but on certain actions, the game always stuck.
Does this make any sense? Can I install Classic in Tiger in a way that the game will run without any problem?
FYI:
- friends of mine had exactly the same problem with this game when upgrading to Tiger
- I cannot contact the manufacturer of the game. It is Japanese and on their site there is neither an e-mail address nor a fax number (if they would understand English at all).
Thanks for your help.

Classic works... most of the time. Maybe 85-90% of apps have no problems, and most of the ones which have problems also have work-arounds. Unfortunately the ones which have problems and no work-arounds usually have those problems because of a decision made back in basic design, and there is no cure short of re-writing the app from scratch. Which is not going to happen with, for example, a game dating from 1989 whose vendor went out of business in the early 90s, and which was picked up by another vendor, who went out of business in the mid 90s. (Yes, Harpoon, I'm talking about you. It eats 100% of CPU cycles on a 2.1GHz G5 iMac and gigs upon gigs of RAM and then freezes for lack of system resources, when I know that it'll run on a 25MHz IIsi in 17MB RAM because I used to play it on that hardware... Grrr... The 'This game requires 256 colors' screen which pops up forcing me to reduce the colour settings from millions to 256 really irritates, too. Grrr...) But those decisions were taken by others, not by Apple, and usually those decisions directly ignored Apple's advice. (The 256-color pop-up, for example: Apple said that it was okay to check for required colour levels, so long as the required level was the floor; these guys also made it the ceiling which is a no-no. And the concept of 'memory leak' was alien to them. I suspect that there's a reason why they went bust.)
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iMacG5 2.1GHz 1.5GB RAM Mac OS X (10.4.7) eMac 1.25 GHz 2 GB, assorted Windows boxes

Canon BJC-85 no longer works in Classic

Client has three Macs, latest an iBook G4 that came with Tiger installed. He has a Canon BJC-85 printer, which he uses to print artwork he creates with an old Broderbund app in Classic. The printer works fine on his OS 9 and 10.3 machines, but in Tiger it displays error "D203" (nonspecific system error) in conjunction with Mac error -43 (file not found).
He brought his machine to a local shop, and they managed to doink around with it such that it would print from Classic, but couldn't print in any other situation. He had them reverse it.
He's discussed his problem with AppleCare, and someone there told him that "Tiger handles printers within Classic differently from earlier OS X releases -- it tries to divert the job to the OS X driver instead." I'm not aware of anything like this, and I don't see any discussions of this issue anywhere on the web.
If this is some kind of Tiger issue with no workaround, I don't even want to get his hopes up. Can anybody shed some illumination on this?

The client elaborates:
I read that Apple Tech Note about printing from OS 9 applications.
I can print from my several month old iBook to my BJC-85 from OS X native applications (Excel and Appleworks)
If I open a document in Broderbund "BannerMania" in Classic, go to the Chooser, select LaserWriter 8, close Chooser, File > Print, I get a message "This printer cannot print because this application is not AppleEvent aware and you have not installed Desktop Print 2.0 software."
If I open a document in "BannerMania" in Classic, go to the Chooser, select BJC-85, close Chooser, File > Print, I get a sign "BJC-85 Error number:D203 System error -42. Job canceled."
If I open a document in "BannerMania" in Classic, go to the Chooser, select BJC-80, close Chooser, File > Print, I can print the document on my BJC-85.
The driver BJC-80 is one from an old (maybe ten years) program called PowerPrint which came with a cable and a bunch of drivers for various printers to let you print to a parallel printer (BJC-80) from a Mac of that time which had a serial printer port. Subsequently I got a later version of PowerPrint which also came with a cable and a bunch of printer drivers for printing to a parallel printer (BJC-80) from a Power Book with a USB port.
What I don't understand is now that I have a BJC-85 with a USB input, why can't I print to the BJC-85 using the driver I downloaded from Canon for that printer, or using the LaserWriter8 "driver" to print to my OS X printer (BJC-85) as Apple says I ought to be able to do. I have three working Macs (an iBook, a G4 iMac running OS 10.3, and a newer iBook running OS 10.4) and I would really like to be able to use the BJC-85, as well as other printers, with any of them without pulling my hair out each time I need to switch printers.

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