Time machine backup space too small

After installing OSX Lion - I had Lion restore my files from the Time Machine. All went well. Except now that I want to keep this machine backed up - Time Machine is attempting to back it up in the 100 gigs or so space that is left rather than overwriting or adding to the old files. Do I have to reformat the drive and do another complete backup or is there away around the problem.
Thank-you.
Barb

Reformat is necessary because the disk has changed and Time Machine doesn't know what to do about it, whether to trust it or not. So reformatting is necessary. The Disk Utility is located in the utilities folder. Thanks!!

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Time Machine: Backup is too large and I have space on my Time Capsule !

Hi Everybody,
I am using Time Machine with my 1T Time Capsule. Everything was running nice till I get message telling that backup could not complete because there was an error copying backup files. I searched for solutions, erased TM disk, reset TM, and reset TC too. Now I have 937g available on TC, I tried to backup 63g but a message came out telling that backup is too large !
Any ideas please !?

Hi
The backup failed too !
These are the messages from the console:
Apr 2 11:53:12 hussain-almarshoods-macbook kernel[0]:
Apr 2 11:53:42: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Apr 2 11:54:10 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Stopping backup.
Apr 2 11:54:10 hussain-almarshoods-macbook kernel[0]:
Apr 2 11:54:27: --- last message repeated 1 time ---
Apr 2 11:54:27 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Originals/2010/2010-03-272/IMG0687.JPG to (null)
Apr 2 11:54:31 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Copied 168977 files (58.2 GB) from volume Macintosh HD.
Apr 2 11:54:31 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Copy stage failed with error:11
Apr 2 11:54:37 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Backup failed with error: 11
Apr 2 11:54:40 hussain-almarshoods-macbook [0x0-0x11011].com.tomtom.HOMERunnerApp[135]: Notifying device changed
Apr 2 11:54:42 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Ejected Time Machine disk image.
Apr 2 11:54:42 hussain-almarshoods-macbook [0x0-0x11011].com.tomtom.HOMERunnerApp[135]: Notifying device changed
Apr 2 11:54:42 hussain-almarshoods-macbook com.apple.backupd[413]: Ejected Time Machine network volume.
These are from TM buddy:
Starting standard backup
Attempting to mount network destination using URL: afp://Hussain%[email protected]/Hussainz
Mounted network destination using URL: afp://Hussain%[email protected]/Hussainz
Disk image /Volumes/Hussainz-1/Hussain Almarshood’s MacBook.sparsebundle mounted at: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups
Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb
Backup content size: 67.9 GB excluded items size: 3.8 GB for volume Macintosh HD
No pre-backup thinning needed: 76.92 GB requested (including padding), 874.08 GB available
Copied 3.6 GB of 64.1 GB, 152 of 620764 items
Copied 7.3 GB of 64.1 GB, 31990 of 620764 items
Copied 9.7 GB of 64.1 GB, 143329 of 620764 items
Copied 13.3 GB of 64.1 GB, 151861 of 620764 items
Copied 17.3 GB of 64.1 GB, 153066 of 620764 items
Copied 20.9 GB of 64.1 GB, 154141 of 620764 items
Copied 25.0 GB of 64.1 GB, 154854 of 620764 items
Copied 29.3 GB of 64.1 GB, 155711 of 620764 items
Copied 33.7 GB of 64.1 GB, 156613 of 620764 items
Copied 38.0 GB of 64.1 GB, 157522 of 620764 items
Copied 42.2 GB of 64.1 GB, 159199 of 620764 items
Copied 46.3 GB of 64.1 GB, 160927 of 620764 items
Copied 50.7 GB of 64.1 GB, 161025 of 620764 items
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Data/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0128.jpg to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0112.JPG to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0115.JPG to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0123.JPG to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0125.JPG to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0136.JPG to (null)
Error: (-36) SrcErr:YES Copying /Users/s9am8/Pictures/iPhoto Library/Modified/2010/2010-03-273/IMG0137.JPG to (null)
Copied 54.6 GB of 64.1 GB, 168977 of 620764 items
This is the TM message:
http://img.skitch.com/20100402-mmjqp1ecca6f1mukn1aggp4uw6.jpg
I this the problem is that there are still some corrupted(damaged) photos in the iPhoto library? Is that right?
Do I have to verify the internal HD ? or find a way to delete the iPhotos files "which I do not want them thou"?
OR you have other method?
Thanks

TIme Machine backup grows too large during backup process

I have been using Time Machine without a problem for several months, backing up my imac - 500GB drive with 350g used. Recently TM failed because the backups had finally filled the external drive - 500GB USB. Since I did not need the older backups, I reformatted the external drive to start from scratch. Now TM tries to do an initial full backup but the size keeps growing as it is backing up, eventually becoming too large for the external drive and TM fails. It will report, say, 200G to back up, then it reaches that point and the "Backing up XXXGB of XXXGB" just keeps getting larger. I have tried excluding more than 100GB of files to get the backup set very small, but it still grows during the backup process. I have deleted plist and cache files as some discussions have suggested, but the same issue occurs each time. What is going on???

Michael Birtel wrote:
Here is the log for the last failure. As you see it indicates there is enough room 345g needed, 464G available, but then it fails. I can watch the backup progress, it reaches 345G and then keeps growing till it give out of disk space error. I don't know what "Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Macintosh HD" implies, maybe this is a clue?
No. It's sort of a warning, indicating that TM isn't sure what's changed on your internal HD since the previous backup, usually as a result of an abnormal shutdown. But since you just erased your TM disk, it's perfectly normal.
Starting standard backup
Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb
Ownership is disabled on the backup destination volume. Enabling.
2009-07-08 19:37:53.659 FindSystemFiles[254:713] Querying receipt database for system packages
2009-07-08 19:37:55.582 FindSystemFiles[254:713] Using system path cache.
Event store UUIDs don't match for volume: Macintosh HD
Backup content size: 309.5 GB excluded items size: 22.3 GB for volume Macintosh HD
No pre-backup thinning needed: 345.01 GB requested (including padding), 464.53 GB available
This is a completely normal start to a backup. Just after that last message is when the actual copying begins. Apparently whatever's happening, no messages are being sent to the log, so this may not be an easy one to figure out.
First, let's use Disk Utility to confirm that the disk really is set up properly.
First, select the second line for your internal HD (usually named "Macintosh HD"). Towards the bottom, the Format should be +Mac OS Extended (Journaled),+ although it might be +Mac OS Extended (Case-sensitive, Journaled).+
Next, select the line for your TM partition (indented, with the name). Towards the bottom, the Format must be the same as your internal HD (above). If it isn't, you must erase the partition (not necessarily the whole drive) and reformat it with Disk Utility.
Sometimes when TM formats a drive for you automatically, it sets it to +Mac OS Extended (Case-sensitive, Journaled).+ Do not use this unless your internal HD is also case-sensitive. All drives being backed-up, and your TM volume, should be the same. TM may do backups this way, but you could be in for major problems trying to restore to a mis-matched drive.
Last, select the top line of the TM drive (with the make and size). Towards the bottom, the *Partition Map Scheme* should be GUID (preferred) or +Apple Partition Map+ for an Intel Mac. It must be +Apple Partition Map+ for a PPC Mac.
If any of this is incorrect, that's likely the source of the problem. See item #5 of the Frequently Asked Questions post at the top of this forum for instructions, then try again.
If it's all correct, perhaps there's something else in your logs.
Use the Console app (in your Applications/Utilities folder).
When it starts, click +Show Log List+ in the toolbar, then navigate in the sidebar that opens up to your system.log and select it. Navigate to the +Starting standard backup+ message that you noted above, then see what follows that might indicate some sort of error, failure, termination, exit, etc. (many of the messages there are info for developers, etc.). If in doubt post (a reasonable amount of) the log here.

Time machine backup space after I open iPhoto

Hi, yesterday, after I had wrong delete some photo from my iphoto library, I have decided to restore entire iphoto library from Time machine backup.
I have select last backup and I select desktop destination folder for restored library. Then, i have delete original library and cut paste restore library from desktop.
I have backup all with time machine.
Now, when I open iphoto and close it without any changes, Time Machine backup always 450mb...
Is normal?? I have fixed permission and restore iphoto database.

Vailfox wrote:
Ok, I have tried TimeTracker with these results:
in iPhoto Library
-> Database folder = 171MB
If you're really making no changes at all, not even browsing, I wouldn't expect much to be backed-up.
I don't have a current version of iPhoto avaiable at the moment, so can't check. But with a fairly small iPhoto '09 library (just under 1 GB), it backs-up just under 1 MB after just opening and quitting. It's no doubt making some minor changes to lock and unlock things, perhaps keep track of when things were lasted opened, etc. A lot of it appears to be metadata.
That likely explains the database changing -- if anything changes in any kind of file, including a database file, the whole thing gets backed-up next time.
-> Thumbnails/Segments folder 181MB
The backup data regards only iPhoto.
Should I regenerate iPhoto Thumbnails?
Might be worth a try.
Stil, I wouldn't worry about this too much -- as Time Machine deletes all but the first backup of the day after 24 hours, the most space those backups will take is 400 MB/day. And, after a month, they're further "thinned" to one per week.
Not really a lot in relation to a 32 GB iPhoto library.

Can you restore from Time Machine backup to a smaller drive?

My 2008 Air's original hard-drive just died. I have a recent Time Machine backup. Since the laptop isn't under warranty, I am looking at buying a replacement hard-drive on my own (either SSD or 'standard'). My question is, if I was using ~70Gigs (and had a Time Machine backup to that effect) and place a 64G hard-drive into the laptop and attempt to do a Time Machine restore... what will happen? Will I be able to pick and choose what to leave out? Or will the entire restore fail? Thank you.

As long as there is sufficient space on a drive you can restore to any drive. However, be sure the drive is properly partitioned and formatted. In your case you can not fully restore 70 GBs to a 64 GB SSD, but you can restore the operating system and some of your data. That means you cannot do a full restore but will need to pick and choose after you install OS X.
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Time machine backup space

I'm making my first Time Machine backup of my PowerBook G4 since installing Leopard. There is 74.41 GB of data on my main hard drive (Mac OS Extended), but Time Machine says that it is taking 49.9 GB for the backup on my external backup drive. I understand that Time Machine doesn't compress files, so I'm wondering if it is normal that the first backup would take up less space than the original. Or is this an indication that I have Time Machine somehow incorrectly configured?
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Initial Time Machine backup 60 GB smaller than HD content?

Hello,
I've just performed an initial backup with TIme Machine on an external HD. The result is that TM's backup's size is 360 GB, but my internal HD that has 420 GB of data...
I had no problems during the backup, no warning messages. I don't understand, so I'm not very confortable pursuing with this backup.
The only explanation could be that I've a lot of duplicates on my iMac (2x big iTunes library with same files...) at the moment: does TM save only one copy of same files that are in different directories of the source HD?
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You can verify your Time Machine backup.
Launch the Terminal application in any of the following ways:
☞ Enter the first few letters of its name into a Spotlight search. Select it in the results (it should be at the top.)
☞ In the Finder, press the key combination shift-command-U. The application is in the folder that opens.
☞ Open LaunchPad. Click Utilities, then Terminal in the page that opens.
Drag or copy – do not type – the following line into the Terminal window, then press return:
sudo tmutil compare
You'll be prompted for your login password, which won't be displayed when you type it. You may get a one-time warning not to screw up.
The command will take at least a few minutes to run. Eventually some lines of output will appear below what you entered.
Each line that begins with a plus sign (“+”) represents a file that has been added to the source volume since the last snapshot was taken. These files have not been backed up yet.
Each line that begins with an exclamation point (“!”) represents a file that has changed on the source volume. These files have been backed up, but not in their present state.
Each line that begins with a minus sign (“-“) represents a file that has been removed from the source volume.
Files that you’ve excluded from backup, or that are excluded automatically, are ignored.
At the end of the output, you’ll get some lines like the following:
Added:
Removed:
Changed:
These lines show the total amount of data added, removed, or changed on the source(s) since the last snapshot.

Time Machine, backup is too big

Hi guys, I want to make a backup of all my data using time machine. But showed size by TM is too big. I've checked the size of my datas and it is 71.2GB (/Users) ,but time machine showed total size 176GB so how many GB has OSX? It can't be more than 100GB or yes? I want to make backup on 128GB USB key ,so I have to solve this problem out. Thanks

If you select your boot volume in the Finder and invoke File > Get Info, you'll be able to see the gross amount of data on that volume. Time Machine won't back up every bit of that, but with the padding it will add, the amount of space Time Machine will want will probably exceed the amount of data on the volume.
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Time Machine Backup Is Too Large For Backup Disc NOT

Hi, I have not been able to locate anything to help me with a time machine/time capsule issue I am experiencing. I have a 750 GB internal and a 1tb capsule. I have been using it to back up for well over a year with no real troubles. About three months ago, a message appeared that my time machine drive was basically filling up and that it was going to start deleting old backups to replace with new ones. No big deal I knew that this day would come. Well, today, I receive a message that it wants to back up 621.99 gbs (the entire drive!) and there is only 59.33 gbs of space. This should not be the case, it seems to think it is backing up a brand new initial back up for some reason when it shouldn't be. Why is it trying to back up the entire drive? I can't figure out what to do to get it back on track. This is the problem with my Apple products, problems are so few and far between for me that I don't remember what to do to correct the issues that arise every couple years. Can anyone guide me?

...have not been able to locate anything to help me with a time machine/time capsule issue I am experiencing.
Nothing here, John?
User Contributed Tips:
Pondini - Time Machine - TROUBLESHOOTING (Sept 25, 2009)
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Time Machine: Backup is too large

Greetings,
I recently installed a new HD on my MBP.
After doing so Time Machine attempted to perform a full backup to my 1 TB external HD.
The backup failed, as my partitioned external drive did not have the available to space to store a full backup.
Is the best course of action to reformat and repartition the external drive?
FYI I have my original HD in a Sabrent USB enclosure, so I do have a bootable back-up.
Thank You,
Ian

You external should be 2-3 times the amount of data you are trying to backup. A reformat and repartition is probably the easiest way to go.

Initial Time Machine Backup Taking Too Long

I have 184 GB of data to backup. Time Machine is backing up about 1 MB of data every 30 secs. At that rate, it will take 64 days for the initial full backup to complete. That can't be right. Has anyone run into similar problems? Any advice?
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ixian98 wrote:
That can't be right. Has anyone run into similar problems? Any advice?
Hi check out [this thread|http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1712437&tstart=0] which explains how best to format a disk for TM use.

Time Machine backup taking too long (91 days)

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http://support.apple.com/kb/PH11172
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Time Machine backups: Get too many Backups all the time (constantly Backing

My Time Machine back ups are always backing up, everyday, on the hour, everyday. I want to slow it down or schedule it to where I want to have it, to do its back ups, such as in the middle of the week at 3pm every wednesday or twice a week at 3pm to do the Back ups instead of every sec or min or hour evryday.
Right now I have an external 2nd HD and I have the back connected to that 2nd HD and whenever the Time machine does its back up to that 2nd HD it makes a loud irritating crackling noise, and I think its because I need a new 2nd HD but haven't enough money yet to get a new one but plan to hopefully soon but for now I would like to control this Time machine back up schedule, How do I do this? am I able to do this? Does anybody have a solution?
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Trisha Foster wrote:
Right now I have an external 2nd HD and I have the back connected to that 2nd HD and whenever the Time machine does its back up to that 2nd HD it makes a loud irritating crackling noise, and I think its because I need a new 2nd HD but haven't enough money yet to get a new one but plan to hopefully soon but for now I would like to control this Time machine back up schedule, How do I do this? am I able to do this?
You can't via Time Machine. And yes, that sort of noise from your external is a very bad sign. You can get even big externals for under $100 these days, so do it ASAP.
It also sounds like the problems with the drive are making your backups run very slowly; normally they run hourly, and are very quick and unobtrusive.
Under normal circumstances we usually advise against it, but there is a 3rd-party app, Time Machine Editor, that some folks use for this. Some say it works for them, others have had troubles with it, especially getting TM to work properly after they remove it.
Since this is temporary, a better bet might be to turn TM off, and just do manual backups as rarely as you dare (via the TM icon in your menubar, or by right-clicking the TM icon in your Dock.)
But please get a new drive soon. It's impossible to predict when it's going to fail completely.

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I'm running my first ever back up to Time Machine which was set up for me in the apple store yesterday. It's been going for around 20 hours and has only done 11.3 GB of the 112GB it needs to do. Is it normal for it to take this long?
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Restoring from Time Machine backup to a smaller drive. Size of backup is more than data on source drive. how can I fix this?

Hey folks,
I posted this in the MBP section and realized I posted in the wrong forum so hopefully this is better. Sorry for the x-post.
Heres the situation:
I have MBP (a) and MBP (b) and am trying to put the contents of (b) onto (a). The problem is that (b) has a 320gb HD and (a) has a 256gb HD. I have lowered the contents of (b) to around 150gb and tried a timemachine backup but it's saying it's backing up 280gb of content inthe initial backup ((b) doesn't do regular timemachine backups so it's just the one). This causes a problem when trying to load the backup onto (a) because it says there is not enough free space.
Can anyone tell me what the problem is?
Thanks!

As long as there is sufficient space on a drive you can restore to any drive. However, be sure the drive is properly partitioned and formatted. In your case you can not fully restore 70 GBs to a 64 GB SSD, but you can restore the operating system and some of your data. That means you cannot do a full restore but will need to pick and choose after you install OS X.
Drive Preparation
1. Boot from your OS X Installer Disc. After the installer loads select your language and click on the Continue button. When the menu bar appears select Disk Utility from the Utilities menu.
2. After DU loads select your hard drive (this is the entry with the mfgr.'s ID and size) from the left side list. Click on the Partition tab in the DU main window.
3. Under the Volume Scheme heading set the number of partitions from the drop down menu to one. Set the format type to Mac OS Extended (Journaled.) Click on the Options button, set the partition scheme to GUID then click on the OK button. Click on the Partition button and wait until the process has completed.

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