Time Machine: Can I make a backup of the original backup?

I use Time Machine. Once a month, for corporate security reasons, I need to move a duplicate of our company's Time Machine backup hard disk to an offsite storage spot 30 miles away. (Just in case of hurricanes, civil unrest, uncivil unrest etc.)
If I just drag and drop all folders from my Time Machine backup disk to another recently reformatted blank hard disk, will that new 'clone' disk be as good as the original Time Machine backup disk?
Thanks for noodling it over.

Unfortunately, no. but there are utilities like Carbon Copy Cloner or SuperDuper that will do that.
Cheers!

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    Hello Everyone,
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    aussie,
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    Actually, this is normal. It's not that any of your hardware has changed, it's that you reinstalled the operating system again. Consider the following according to the KB article below:
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    It may simply be easier to begin a fresh series of backups while saving the previous backups until your satisfied that you have enough history built up. Then delete the old backups.
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    Cheers!

  • Time machine can't make backup on external disk

    I'm using an external disk to make my backup with time machine. Therefore I formatted the disk for Mac OS Extended initially and the first backups went fine.
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    The external disk is connected via my airport extreme (wireless). I already did a disk repair but this didn't help either.
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    eggann wrote:
    I'm using an external disk to make my backup with time machine. Therefore I formatted the disk for Mac OS Extended initially and the first backups went fine.
    Now backup never finishes successful.
    The external disk is connected via my airport extreme (wireless). I already did a disk repair but this didn't help either.
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    A few days ago, I upgraded to Snow Leopard -- via clean install, manual reinstallation of apps, etc. So understandably, the first Time Machine backup to a preexisting store on an original 500 GB Time Capsule is going to be huge and take a long time. Apple claims that TM is 40% faster on the initial backup, but are there speed improvements as well? I was surprised by the slowness; I started it before going to bed, and it wasn't nearly done when I woke up:
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    Jan 6 19:54:22 Musa com.apple.backupd[7571]: Starting standard backup
    Jan 6 19:54:22 Musa com.apple.backupd[7571]: Attempting to mount network destination using URL: afp://odysseus@Time%20Capsule.afpovertcp.tcp.local/odysseus
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    Jan 6 20:01:14 Musa com.apple.backupd[7571]: Disk image /Volumes/odysseus/Musa_002332d5c37e.sparsebundle mounted at: /Volumes/Backup of Musa
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    Jan 6 20:01:20 Musa com.apple.backupd[7571]: Node requires deep traversal:/ reason:must scan subdirs|
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  • Time Machine won't make a new backup

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  • Time Machine not backing up music added to iTunes since the original backup

    My girlfriend has a Macbook and I decided it was time for her to back up. I used Time Machine with my Lacie external HD. The original back up got all the music, documents, etc.
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    Erik Griffin wrote:
    My girlfriend has a Macbook and I decided it was time for her to back up. I used Time Machine with my Lacie external HD. The original back up got all the music, documents, etc.
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    This morning was the first time I had hooked up the external HD since the original back up. I manually ran it and wanted to check if it added the new music and documents. My resume, which I updated last night, was there. But when I looked in the iTunes folder the new music I had added was missing.
    How are you verifying whether they were backed-up? Use +Enter Time Machine,+ not the Finder.
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    The labels of hourly, daily, and weekly backups are just labels. The process is the same with each. The only thing that's different is how long TM will keep them. A TM backup is a TM Backup.
    Is there something I did wrong with set up? Of course I could start over but I'd rather fix the issue and make sure everything is being backed up.
    First, check TM Preferences > Options. Be sure nothing is listed there that would prevent any iTunes data from being backed-up.
    If you still don't see them, download the TimeTracker app, from www.charlessoft.com.
    It shows most of the files saved by TM for each backup (excluding some hidden/system files, etc.). That should show what was actually backed-up.

  • Time Machine can't search

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    Pondini wrote:
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  • Time Machine fails - cannot make backup folder

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    iMac 27"
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    For the past two weeks it's been failing the automatic backups.
    There is PLENTY of room on the drive.
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    "Time Machine Error
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    Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
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    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
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    Incorrect number of Access Control Lists
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    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
    Repairing volume.
    Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    JUNE 17,2014
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    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking Journaled HFS Plus volume.
    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking extents overflow file.
    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking catalog hierarchy.
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    Incorrect number of Access Control Lists
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    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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    Checking catalog hierarchy.
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    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
    Repairing volume.
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    Checking catalog file.
    Checking multi-linked files.
    Checking catalog hierarchy.
    Checking extended attributes file.
    Checking multi-linked directories.
    Checking volume bitmap.
    Checking volume information.
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