Time Machine ignores my exclude list

I recently changed my exclude list to include a bunch of directories and remove some others. Problem is, Time Machine is blithely ignoring my new settings... still backs up the old directories that are in my current exclude list and, more importantly, is NOT backing up the directories I removed from that list.
Is there a workaround for this?

Still no luck. It's very weird...
I reformatted my Time Machine external USB disc, removed the Time Machine pref file, rebooted the computer and set it all up again.
My disc reports as having 96GB in use. Excluded from this is a 25GB VMWare virtual machine and a 500MB directory containing Subversion checkouts (no point in backing those up).
Total size of backup according to the exclusions list page is 70.33GB... except the current backup progress bar is telling me xGB out of 80.79GB!
And when it's all over, my Downloads directory isn't backed up... the subversion checkouts are still backed up... the VMWare file (all 25GB of it) is still backed up and is included in every single backup whenever I've finished using it.
I have to conclude that this particular feature is well and truly broken.

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Time Capsule Ignoring my 'Excluded' Folders

Hi,
This is my first time backing up with Time Capsule / Time Machine. I excluded quite a lot of stuff that I have backed up elsewhere -- I have a 140 gb drive and the TM settings say "Total Included: 75 gb." However, when I start my backup, the progress bar always says "XX out of 131 gb."
It could be that the progress indicator is wrong, and it will quit once it reaches the needed 75 gb. But it's going REALLY slow - like 8 gb in an hour - and I don't want to wait that long. If it's going this slow, I've read I may want to re-format the drive. But it's my friend's TC and I don't want to mess with her files already on the drive so I'm not going to do that.
Is there any way to just get it to pay attention to my settings?
Thanks,
Josh

I'm having exactly the same problem. I have a brand-new 1TB Time Capsule, and the first time I tried to back up to it I excluded some folders and ran Time Machine. The Time Machine menu was initially correct, saying
"Backing Up: x of of 40GB"
Unfortunately, it didn't stop at 40GB, and the menu eventually said
"Backing Up: 50.53GB of 50.53GB"
"Backup Up: 80.02GB of 80.02GB"
etcetera, until it had backed up my entire computer. I went into Time Machine ("Enter Time Machine") and confirmed that it had indeed made backups of the folders and files that I had excluded.
After that, it made incremental backups (I assume it was still ignoring the exclusions). However, when I changed the excluded files, it thinks it has to back up virtually the whole computer again, the Time Machine status now reads
"Backing Up: 15.53 GB of 89.16GB"
This, again, looks like the correct calculated amount, but it will probably continue to back up past that all the way to 105 GB (my whole hard drive) again. I'll know tomorrow.
I know this problem is related to this Time Capsule, as previously I was using Time Machine with an external hard drive with no problem.
I searched for solutions to this problem and found Pondini's suggestion of deleting the Time Capusule .plist file. I did this, and deleted my whole sparsebundle file as well for good measure, but it didn't fix the problem.
I can't let Time Machine back up my whole computer because I have a VMware Windows virtual machine and Time Machine would try to back up the whole ~15 GB file every hour every time I go into Windows.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Time Machine ignoring excluded items (performing full backup)

Hi.
I started having problems with Time Machine recently.
My macbook hard drive has 250 GB, 80 GB free. In the Time Machine preference pane options I have selected a couple of folders so that an "estimated full backup" is 52.9 GB. When I'm running TM it tries to backup the full drive (160GB) ignoring the folders I chose to exclude.
I have verified and repaired both my main hard drive and the external drive used for Time Machine.
The log in the console initially says that it is going to backup 44GB and then it continues copying more data:
1/24/10 10:14:02 PM com.apple.backupd[378] Starting standard backup
1/24/10 10:14:03 PM com.apple.backupd[378] Backing up to: /Volumes/Time Machine Backups/Backups.backupdb
1/24/10 10:14:10 PM com.apple.backupd[378] Backup content size: 157.0 GB excluded items size: 113.0 GB for volume Macintosh HD
1/24/10 10:14:10 PM com.apple.backupd[378] No pre-backup thinning needed: 53.73 GB requested (including padding), 260.74 GB available
1/24/10 11:14:04 PM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 4.1 GB of 44.0 GB, 1471 of 782012 items
1/25/10 12:14:05 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 6.3 GB of 44.0 GB, 20599 of 782012 items
1/25/10 1:14:06 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 9.0 GB of 44.0 GB, 48709 of 782012 items
1/25/10 2:14:06 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 11.1 GB of 44.0 GB, 124469 of 782012 items
1/25/10 3:14:07 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 21.9 GB of 44.0 GB, 155468 of 782012 items
1/25/10 4:14:08 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 42.0 GB of 44.0 GB, 156348 of 782012 items
1/25/10 5:14:08 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 62.5 GB of 62.5 GB, 156455 of 782012 items
1/25/10 6:14:09 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 83.1 GB of 83.1 GB, 156517 of 782012 items
1/25/10 7:14:10 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 103.7 GB of 103.7 GB, 156648 of 782012 items
1/25/10 7:56:21 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Copied 183712 files (114.1 GB) from volume Macintosh HD.
1/25/10 7:56:23 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Backup canceled.
1/25/10 7:57:55 AM com.apple.backupd[378] Stopping backupd to allow ejection of backup destination disk!
1/25/10 8:20:53 AM [0x0-0xb50b5].backupd-helper[2308] Not starting Time Machine backup after wake - failed to resolve alias to backup volume
1/25/10 8:46:07 AM com.apple.backupd-auto[2421] Not starting scheduled Time Machine backup - time machine destination not resolvable.
Thanks for the help!

Hi, and welcome to the forums.
We have seen this on rare occasions.
Start by Repairing your Time Machine drive and verifying your internal HD, per #A5 in the Time Machine - Troubleshooting *User Tip,* also at the top of this forum.
Also do a "full reset" of Time Machine via #A4 there.
If that doesn't help, there's probably something corrupted in OSX.
You'll need to reinstall it from your Snow Leopard Install disc, then download and install the "combo" update to get back to 10.6.2. Info and download available at: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL959 Be sure to do a +Repair Permissions+ via Disk Utility (in your Applications/Utilities folder) afterwards.

Time Machine has been excluding items for hours... and counting!

I have been using time capsule for several years now. But today I brought a new hard drive to use with Time Machine. It's a Western Digital My Book Network drive.
Plugged it in selected the new disk and started to back up. For hours now it has been 'Excluding items..'. It has apparently excluded over 5 million items! Why is it doing this?
I've checked the list of files to exclude and it's just set to exclude the desktop and the Downloads folder.
I don't understand why it has been excluding items so long. Nothing had been copied to the external disk yet. If anyone could help me I'd be much apreciative!
Thanks, George!

georgeShawkins wrote:
Well now I have this new hard drive
You may avoid some confusion and/or problems by not calling it that. It's a +Network Attached Storage+ (NAS) device, or +network drive.+ Yes, it contains a hard drive, but OSX handles it very differently for many purposes. You've already seen that you can't format it via Disk Utility, for example.
I'd rather not have erase the whole disk and put the wanted data back onto it.
If you can copy that 50GB elsewhere temporarily, erase the drive, then copy it back, that may be much faster and easier than deleting the Backups.backupdb folder. It contains at least several hundred thousand, perhaps over a million items, that OSX must delete one at a time. It may also have permissions or other problems.
Erasing, however, takes only a few moments.
This is why we recommend giving Time Machine its own, exclusive space. See #3 in Time Machine - Frequently Asked Questions (or use the link in *User Tips* at the top of this forum).
Are you putting other things on the network drive? If so, you may have problems there, too, as Time Machine will eventually use all the empty space available to it.
Those backups will be inside a rather odd container called a +sparse bundle.+ If you're really on Leopard, as per your signature, you can limit the maximum size of the sparse bundle, per #A8 of Time Machine - Troubleshooting (or use the link in *User Tips* at the top of this forum).
But since you've posted in the +Snow Leopard+ Time Machine forum, if you're on 10.6.3 or later, that won't "stick," so you may want to see if you can partition the network drive via WD's software (another thing you can't do on a network drive via +Disk Utility,+ unfortunately).

Time Machine plist file excluded external volumes

Mac OS 10.8, 10.9, Time Machine.
Posting here is my final step after a few hours of research. I am trying to find out whether Time Machine stores the names of excluded external volumes anywhere -- those volumes that one enters manually in the Time Machine exclusions options window. They are not in /Library/Preferences/com.apple.TimeMachine.plist. I have searched my Mac via "find" in Terminal as superuser and not found any other plist files that contain the name "timemachine" that contain this information, either. I've seen several apparently erroneous comments online that the com.apple.TimeMachine.plist file contains this information, but in my own systems, at least, it does not.
Nor does the following command reveal this information:
mdfind "com_apple_backup_excludeItem = 'com.apple.backupd'"
Pondini's excellent Time Machine resource states, with regard to the Time Machine GUI: "Excluded External Volumes (shown in black) are placed there automatically unless removed by the user, and do not appear in the plist."
My guess is that because Time Machine excludes external volumes by default, that it doesn't need a plist to store that information, and only cares about them if you delete them from the excludes list in the preferences window.
ADDITIONAL INFO: I am also aware of the com.apple.metadata:com_apple_backup_excludeItem metadata. I haven't been able to determine for certain what creates it, but my guess is Time Machine, at least as regards volumes.

Hi! I am a bit of a nerd when it comes to Mac OS, I have used True Crypt for a long time, you seem to know what you are talking about and I was just wondering if you have an easy answer for me, as I understand only 1/2 of what you wrote on your first post and other wise am lost.
I just want to know if TM works for my needs or if am doom to find another back up software.
I have a simple backup partition in my Mac Book and I store sensitive data in it, TM is backing up my computer now and that is fine, it also seems to back up my encrypted (with True Crypt) partition, but I read and read and read posts and now am confused and not sure if TM will actually back up the changes I do in the files inside the encrypted partition in my Mac Book. Or does it just back up the encrypted file without modifications inside?
If you could explain me this with an easy answer it would be fantastic! thank you!!

Restore with install DVD and Time machine backup that excludes system

Hi, I need restore my PB G4.
I backed up my data using TM but excluding all system files. Is there a possibillity to reinstall the system with the DVD and then rebuild the individual accounts using Time machine?

Yes, you have several options: (In all cases Mac OS 10.5 Leopard is required as previous OS X versions can not work with Time Machine backups.)
*Full Restore Via Migration Assistant & Time Machine*
You can use the installation DVDs that came with your Mac and reinstall Leopard (Mac OS 10.5). During the installation process you will be asked if you would like to Migrate data over from your Time Machine backups. The advantage here is that you start with fresh system software. The disadvantage is that you may lose many of the personal preferences/settings that had been established with the previous system. But this may be only a minor inconvenience to reestablish these. Depending on whether you choose to migrate your applications over as well, you may be required to reinstall any 3rd-party software or standalone Apple programs. Don’t forget to run Software Update once the initial installation is complete to bring your system up to date. Using Disk Utility at this point to repair any permissions issues is advised as well.
*Full Restore Via Time Machine Only*
Alternatively, you can use the installation DVDs to do a full system restore. Insert the installation DVD. When the welcome window appears, go to the Utilities menu and select “Restore System From Backup…” and choose the drive that your Time Machine backups are on. Then select the date of the backup you would like to restore from. This will completely erase your internal drive and restore your system to a relatively same condition it was in on the date of the backup you choose. (See this article for a list of files that TM does not restore, http://shiftedbits.org/2007/10/31/time-machine-exclusions/) The advantage here is that you retain many of the personal preferences/settings that had been established with the previous system. Additionally, no further installation of 3rd-party software is required. The disadvantage is that BECAUSE you retain many of the personal preferences, settings, and system files that had been present with the previous system, you run the risk of reintroducing problems you experienced with the previous installation, including any issues that necessitated the OS reinstall in the first place. Using Disk Utility at this point to repair any permissions issues is advised as well.
*Full Backup After Restore*
Bear in mind that in all cases Time Machine will perform a full backup after a full restore. This is normal. Time Machine will resume incremental backups after the full backup has completed. To view previous backups, Control-click or right-click the Time Machine icon in your Dock or Option-click the Time Machine menu extra and Choose "Browse Other Time Machine Disks," then select your previous backup volume. You will enter Time Machine and be able to browse your previous back ups and restore files. (http://support.apple.com/kb/TS1338)
Hope this helps.

Time Machine Ignores Settings

I've upgraded my mid 2009 15" MacBookPro to Mountain Lion and overall I pretty happy with it. But I've run into an issue and wondered if anyone else has seen it. Time Machine seems to back-up fine but it ignores the preferences. I have it set to back-up only when plugged in it runs a back-up even when I am running on battery power. So I go into the preferences and turn if off, the icon in the menu bar is grayed out and it ignores that also and runs it's hourly back-ups anyway.
Has anybody else seen this and any suggestions short of doing a clean install. I've already deleted the .plist system file but that had no effect.

Sounds like the preferences file (where the settings are kept) may be damaged.
Try a "full reset" of Time Machine, per #A4 in Time Machine - Troubleshooting.

Time Machine ignores changes, successfully backs up nothing

Situation: Freshly installed Snow Leopard (on freshly formatted harddisk) with fresh Time Machine backup (on freshly formatted external harddisk).
Problem: Time Machine does the initial backup ok, but doesn't back up any changes; I just opened, and changed, a large file (600 MB disk image) in my Documents folder, but when I click on "Backup Now", Time Machine behaves exactly as if nothing had changed.
???

-) Yes, a new folder with date and time is created in Backups.backupdb.
-) I determine that the files are, in fact, changed, and should therefore be backed up, by looking at their md5 and their meta-data, see shell session below.
-) The question of whether to exclude system files from the backup is out of scope; it worked fine in Leopard (and there was no problem when my MacBook Pro died the "Nvidia death").
Thanks, Colin
ll /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/
total 4
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 01:03 2009-09-01-010300/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:35 2009-09-01-163551/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:36 2009-09-01-163647/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:37 2009-09-01-163748/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:39 2009-09-01-163905/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:40 2009-09-01-164010/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:43 2009-09-01-164310/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:44 2009-09-01-164455/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 17:09 2009-09-01-170917/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 17:13 2009-09-01-171326/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 17:41 2009-09-01-174156/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 23:04 2009-09-01-230403/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 2 16:31 2009-09-02-163123/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 2 16:35 2009-09-02-163548/
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 17 Sep 2 16:35 Latest -> 2009-09-02-163548/
ll /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
-rw-r--r--+ 1 colin staff 504106 Jun 28 13:23 /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
md5sum /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
9f345ef0e67a2f15de3482aad182fd85 /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
ll ~/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
-rw-r--r-- 1 colin staff 564551 Sep 1 16:43 /Users/colin/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
md5sum ~/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
c3dbd7354d9aaee0c65d8b1fb1180514 /Users/colin/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
touch ~/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
touch ~/Documents/
touch ~/
ll ~/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
-rw-r--r-- 1 colin staff 564551 Sep 2 17:25 /Users/colin/Documents/Sinus1.gcx
# MD5 already different from previous test.
# Now selecting "Back Up Now" from "Time Machine", same as always, does nothing.
md5sum /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
9f345ef0e67a2f15de3482aad182fd85 /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/Latest/WeaselX/Users/colin/Documents/S inus1.gcx
ll /Volumes/IomegaX/Backups.backupdb/weasel/
total 4
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 01:03 2009-09-01-010300/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:35 2009-09-01-163551/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:36 2009-09-01-163647/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:37 2009-09-01-163748/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 16:39 2009-09-01-163905/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 17:41 2009-09-01-174156/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 1 23:04 2009-09-01-230403/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 2 16:31 2009-09-02-163123/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 2 16:35 2009-09-02-163548/
drwxr-xr-x+ 3 root staff 204 Sep 2 17:26 2009-09-02-172617/
lrwxr-xr-x 1 root staff 17 Sep 2 17:26 Latest -> 2009-09-02-172617/

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I have two accounts on my Mac Mini running the latest OS X 10.6. I have Time Machine backing up my files to a Time Capsule. When I opened up the Options for Time Machine in my account, I see this:
When I open the same dialog box in my other account, I see this instead:
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When setting up Time Machine it doesn't list any back up devices

I have an external 250gb harddrive thats connected to an Airport Extreme base station. I can see the harddrive on multiple machines through the network so I know it's there and working. However when I try to set up Time Machine and it prompts me to "choose a back up device" or I select "Switch Time Machine On" it doesn't show me external harddrive. Just lists nothing, and my only option is "cancel"
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yes, i know that. but there were numerous reports (the macworld link in my first post is one) that it also works with AEBS after 10.5.2. I've never seen any reports that this stopped working after a subsequent update. in fact I remember a [thread a few days ago by someone using TM backups to AEBS successfully|http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=7717754&#771775 4]. he only mentions that he had to do a firmware and driver upgrade of AEBS but that's all. It could also depend on the model of AEBS you've got.

Why Time machine don't exclude folders?

I use time capsule for backup, when i exclude some folder on time machine preferences this folders don't skip the backup, i have same problem with an usb hard drive.
I was formatted my Time capsule but the problem remains. I was deleted com.apple.TimeMachine.plist but nothing....
I don't understand...

Same problem here. I can exclude folders on the root but not inside users' home. Things I've done:
- multiple time machine full reset
- os reinstall
- create a new users from scratch.
No way!
I have a macbook pro 2011 with Mac Os 10.6.7 (case insensitive installation).
I've tried to install 10.6.7 combo update but system refuses to do because not compatible.
During backup TM reaches the expected backup size and after it continues counting GBs over the expected size. If I don't stop the backup it reaches 220 GB despite I've excluded everything but the Desktop folder that has only some files.
Log is following:
Starting standard backup
Backing up to: /Volumes/Untitled/Backups.backupdb
2011-05-28 00:53:06.742 FindSystemFiles[2390:907] Looking for system packages
2011-05-28 00:53:10.533 FindSystemFiles[2390:907] Using system path cache.
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Time machine accessing pref. recipient list

Is there a way I can access my Previous recipients list using Time Machine? Thanks, jp

You’re welcome.
If Address Book itself works fine, you may try re-creating its database as follows (the instructions are for Mac OS X 10.4; you may need to adapt them to the version of Mac OS X you’re running and which I currently cannot try myself):
1. Open Address Book.
2. As an extra safety measure, do File > Back up Address Book and save the backup wherever you wish.
3. Go to Address Book > Preferences > vCard, set the vCard Format to 3.0 and check Export notes in vCards. Close the Preferences window when done.
4. Select the All group in the main Address Book window and do File > Export Group vCard (the command should read “Export Group vCard”, not just “Export vCard”).
5. Quit Address Book, Mail, and any other applications that might use Address Book for something. Or just quit all applications to be on the safe side.
6. In the Finder, go to ~/Library/Application Support/ and move the entire AddressBook folder out of there, e.g. to the Desktop (to be deleted after fixing the problem and making sure you don’t miss anything).
7. Check whether the problem is fixed now. If it is, you may be able to restore your contacts without the problem happening again by opening Address Book and doing File > Import > vCards to import the previously exported cards back into Address Book.
Note: For those not familiarized with the ~/ notation, it refers to the user’s home folder. That is, ~/Library is the Library folder within the user’s home folder, i.e. /Users/username/Library.

Time Machine Ignores Next Back-up Prompt

I restored my new MacBook Pro from the Time Machine of the one that had been stolen (flawless). Time machine now does not automatically backing up each hour. Once I had restored, I started a new back-up file on the same disk. I can (and do) manually back-up and access Time Machine to restore files.
In Time Machine preferences it shows the next scheduled back up then just doesn't kick it off when the time comes.
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Hi, and welcome to the forums.
Try a "full reset" of Time Machine, per #A4 in the Time Machine - Troubleshooting *User Tip,* also at the top of this forum.

Time Machine Exclude Items Not Working

So I just started using TM, or rather trying to use it.
I have a pretty big HD to backup, and since 200GB of it is just a copy of one large folder on a server I wish to exclude it from backup. So I go into Time Machine and click the "Options" button, click "+" and add the folder (it's actually ~/Documents/Audio). Everything looks fine, it tells me the size etc. Then I click "Done".
Trouble is, when I look again in the list the folder is gone. In fact no matter what I try I cannot add any folders to this list. Time Machine seems to totally throw away anything I add to the exclude list.
Any ideas anyone?
--Tim

So, I'm having somewhat the opposite problem, Time Machine is busily "Excluding..." items, currently up to about 6 million and going strong. The problem is, sort of the opposite you were experiencing, I have no files/drives in my exclude list, yet it is finding something to exclude.
I stopped it last attempt, when it had excluded some 30 million items, seemed to be making no progress whatsoever, and followed the troubleshooting hints for a full reset #A4 (http://web.me.com/pondini/Time_Machine/Troubleshooting.html). Just for grins I also erased the drive again, to start with a clean slate.
I'm backing up to a WD 1 TB drive connected to my old G4 PowerBook running 10.5.8, and connected to it over the network, with the machine and the drive shared out. I can see the drive and files, and can read from and write to the drive. TM has no issue mounting the drive, and has written a small file to it (~1 gb so far).
Is this symptomatic of some other odd TM behavior, or should I just let it run and see what it does?
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--Jon

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I have a new MacBook Air and two new Verbatim 256 gig external SSD drives (Store "n" Go).
When I attempt to back up these drives with time machine, they are excluded from the back up as reported by the time machine options. I try to remove them from the exclusion list, but after clicking on the drive and hitting the "-" sign and seeing the drive removed then saving, it is right back there agian when I click on options again. I have formatted the drives using the disk utility for the ususal Mac OS Extended (journaled). I also tried partitioning the SSD drive into one partition.
The SSD's work OK (although not as fast as claimed by the mfgr). I'm getting 130 MB/s write speed and 250 MB/s read speed.
I reported this to Verbatim and they said "It's an Apple problem, call them"
I have called Apple. I have a case set up, but nothing yet for resolution. It had to "go off to the engineers" at Apple.

Please read this whole message before doing anything.
This procedure is a diagnostic test. It’s unlikely to solve your problem. Don’t be disappointed when you find that nothing has changed after you complete it.
The purpose of the test is to determine whether the problem is caused by third-party software that loads automatically at startup or login, or by a peripheral device.
Disconnect all wired peripherals except those needed for the test, and remove all aftermarket expansion cards. Boot in safe mode and log in to the account with the problem. Note: If FileVault is enabled, or if a firmware password is set, or if the boot volume is a software RAID, you can’t do this. Ask for further instructions.
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