Time Machine Losing Files

Hello,
I have found that TimeMachine is losing files in sub-directories of my home directory. For example, when I look at ~/bin in TimeMachine, 'Now' is full of files, then all the previous backups have ~/bin empty and then all the file suddenly show up in backups done 7 days ago.
It's not just ~/bin, but several different subdirectories, but not all. I haven't found any common thread yet but will continue to research.
Anyone have any ideas??
Thanks,
Ron

OK, a little update on my last post.
I noticed that when I went into my home directory in the 'Latest' TimeMachine backup, it had the modtime on ~/bin as 'Nov 15 12:02'. However, when I went into my real home directory (non-TimeMachine), ~/bin had a modtime of 'Nov 14 07:38'. In other words, the TimeMachine mod time was after the actual directory on my home disk.
I then went in and created a dummy file in ~/bin which forced the modtime to update to today, Nov 20. The next time TimeMachine ran, it backed that directory up correctly. Now when I go into the TimeMachine view, Now and my last backup are correct, then ~/bin is completely empty until I get back to the backup on Nov 13.
At least I can force the backup to happen, but I don't know why it messed up in the first place.

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Message was edited by: Dan D\'Errico

Dan D'Errico wrote:
I use Time Machine to backup my data to an external drive. Let's say that my computer crashes and I buy a new computer with Leopard installed.
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