Time Machine or External Using Super Duper

Apple is going to change the HD on my computer. I know little about Time Machine but I have been backing up my HD using Super Duper and a LaCie external HD. I think it's working out so far. That's what I have done before replacing the HD. So, when the new HD is installed, I can start up using the external and transfer files, i.e., mail, iTunes, Safari, Firefox etc. from the Application file on the external to the Application file on the computer with the new HD without any change in content. Any advantage using Time Machine over the way I intend to do it which should work. Any preferences or none?
I have already posted in a different Topic but on this sight regarding another aspect of this operation.

I generally can get Time Machine to work for a while. It takes way more effort to get it working and to keep it working than you'd expect for a Mac.
The most recent event was when I mounted my new 500 GB Hitachi drive in a new Mercury Elite-AL Pro mini, connected with Firewire 800 to my Mac Mini Server. I formatted the drive, using the 7-pass erase in Disk Utility, with no errors. I used disk utility to verify the file system on the drive before I started using it with Time Machine.
I configure Time Machine to use that new drive, and it starts up, but pukes fairly quickly. I Googled the error messages, and found lots of other people running into the same error.
First off, the disk would not unmount. Had to force unmount it.
Used Disk Utility to Repair the file system. It encountered no errors. So, then I used Disk Warrior to rebuild the directory structure on the disk. It found some things that it corrected. Since then, Time Machine has been working on that disk without further errors (overnight).
How many Apple customers are going to want to deal with force unmounts, running disk utility and disk warrior to tickle Time Machine back into working?
These are my log entries from the most recent Time Machine errors:
Dec 30 09:42:13 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Starting standard backup
Dec 30 09:42:13 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdbDec 30 09:42:13 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Detected system migration from:
/Volumes/Christopher-J-Shakers-Mac.localDec 30 09:42:17 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Backup content size: 406.7 GB excluded items size: 34.0 GB for volume MacMini
Dec 30 09:42:17 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: No pre-backup thinning needed: 447.22 GB requested (including padding), 465.02 GB availableDec 30 09:42:17 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Waiting for index to be ready (
101)Dec 30 09:42:17 MacMini mds[42]: (Normal) DiskStore: Creating index for /Volumes
/Backups/Backups.backupdbDec 30 09:42:30 MacMini ntpd[33]: time reset -0.559108 sDec 30 09:42:54 MacMini JollysFastVNC[898]: (00599870.0592)-[NetworkConnection disconnect] could not shut down writehandleDec 30 09:43:01 MacMini login[1339]: DEAD_PROCESS: 1339 ttys001
Dec 30 09:58:09 MacMini ntpd[33]: time reset -0.483469 s
Dec 30 10:00:34 MacMini kernel[0]: Dec 30 10:00:45: --- last message repeated 3 times ---Dec 30 10:00:45 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (-36) SrcErr:NO Copying /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DTMessageQueueing.framework/Versions/A/DTM essageQueueing to /Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER/2010-12-30-094033.
inProgress/02385079-1749-4E5A-BC4F-93367E30B581/MacMini/Developer/Library/Privat
eFrameworks/DTMessageQueueing.framework/Versions/ADec 30 10:00:45 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Stopping backup.Dec 30 10:00:45 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (-8062) SrcErr:NO Copying /Developer/Library/PrivateFrameworks/DTMessageQueueing.framework/Versions/A/DTM essageQueueing to /Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER/2010-12-30-09403
3.inProgress/02385079-1749-4E5A-BC4F-93367E30B581/MacMini/Developer/Library/Priv ateFrameworks/DTMessageQueueing.framework/Versions/A
Dec 30 10:00:45 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Copied 13388 files (10.5 GB) fr
om volume MacMini.Dec 30 10:00:45 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Copy stage failed with error:11Dec 30 10:00:46 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (22) setxattr for key:co
m.apple.backupd.ModelID path:/Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER size:1
0Dec 30 10:00:51 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Backup failed with error: 11Dec 30 10:06:19 MacMini mds[42]: (/Volumes/Backups/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/A3D115A8-4546-4A3B-B36E-59440 4EEA098)(Error) IndexCI in ci_ftruncate:ftruncat
e(34 /Volumes/Backups/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stores/A3D115A8-4546-4A3B-B36E-594404 EEA098/live.0.indexDirectory, 16448) error:22Dec 30 10:06:19 MacMini mds[42]: (/Volumes/Backups/.Spotlight-V100/Store-V1/Stor
es/A3D115A8-4546-4A3B-B36E-594404EEA098)(Error) IndexCI in expandMap:ftruncate err: 22
Here is another one:
Dec 30 10:06:20 MacMini mds[42]: (Normal) DiskStore: Creating index for /Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb
Dec 30 10:14:12 MacMini ntpd[33]: time reset -0.496024 s
Dec 30 10:29:48 MacMini ntpd[33]: time reset -0.481983 s
Dec 30 10:42:31 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Starting standard backup
Dec 30 10:42:31 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Backing up to: /Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb
Dec 30 10:42:35 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (22) setxattr for key:com.apple.backupd.ModelID path:/Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER size:10
Dec 30 10:42:35 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Detected system migration from: /Volumes/Christopher-J-Shakers-Mac.local
Dec 30 10:42:37 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Failed to create progress log file at path:/Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER/2010-12-30-094033.inProgress/ .Backup.315427357.871281.log.
Dec 30 10:42:37 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (-50) Creating directory 61478D74-6407-4DBA-A98D-8A20EC6F2140
Dec 30 10:42:37 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Failed to make snapshot.
Dec 30 10:42:37 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Error: (22) setxattr for key:com.apple.backupd.ModelID path:/Volumes/Backups/Backups.backupdb/SNOWSERVER size:1
0Dec 30 10:42:42 MacMini com.apple.backupd[2388]: Backup failed with error: 2
So far, it has been running ok on that disk since I force unmounted it and used disk warrior to rebuild its directory structure.
While I was visiting my sister-in-law over Christmas, I had to resurrect Time Machine on my old PowerMac dual G5 I gave her. It's backing up to an internal SATA drive that I previously tested quite extensively. I had to use Disk Warrior to rebuild the directory structure on that disk as well to get Time Machine working again.
It seems to me that time machine, or the device drivers it relies on, needs some work.
Chris Shaker

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larry lund wrote:
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