Time machine partition, need help here!! please help!!!!!!!

I have a 250gb western digital hard drive, and somehow when I start with time machine...the external hard drive will not be detected in windows computer. Although I have files and backups.backupb in my external hard drive, I am just wondering how can i be able to let the external hard drive to have 2 partition? and while adding another partition do i have to backup all my files first? will it erase the whole drive? I just want to have one partition that works in mac and windows, and one partition is with time machine!

See # 6 in the Frequently Asked Questions *User Tip* at the top of this forum.
It details how to add a partition for +Time Machine+ to a disk that already has other data on it, but you can use the same procedure to add a Windoze partition to one that's already set up for Time Machine. Select +MS-DOS (FAT)+ for the Format of the partition you want to use with Windoze.
You should then copy the "other" files from the Time Machine partition to the new one (or even a third), since Time Machine will work best if it has it's own, exclusive partition. See #3 in the FAQ Tip. Also be sure you allow enough room in the +Time Machine+ partition (see #1 in the FAQ Tip.)

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    Thank you once again, and, don't be afraid, I will be as short as possible,
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    JP ➔ You can copy an entire set of backups, but you cannot copy part of it successfully. See #18 etc.
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    JP➔ Some of it is detailed here: http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/07/10/12/roadto_maco[]sx_leopard_timemachine.html
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    ➤ I'm sorry, I didn't explain : "but if all works" meant : Copy Backups.backupdb, "without doing it" meant : Install OSX.
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    JP➔ Correct. The partition you're running from will not be an option in TM Preferences > Select Disk. That prevents TM from backing-up it's own backups!
    ➤ Would it be so absurd ? Maybe it could resolve my actual problem ?
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    JP➔ Don't worry about that -- thats what this forum is for, especially if you're still having problems.
    ➤ It's seems in fact that there is no possible solution, except what I said above and is certainly crazy/out of subject.
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    ➤ You're absolutely right and I tried to do so this time, and I'm sorry because I see it's still (far) not enough (short).
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