Time machine slow to Synology NAS

I have a synology 211j NAS that i use for time machine. After Lion I waited until they had a non-beta implementation of AFP that coplied with apple's new time machin standard and then updated the NAS. For a week everyting was great, when I was at home it automatically updated the update every hour without my intervening or thinking about it.
Then it sated that the index was corrupt and that it needed to blast the whole thing. Since then, it takes about an hour to run a backup every time and com.apple.backupd prints lots and lots of, "Waiting for index to be ready (100)" messages. An important distinction from others posting here: it does complete after about 40 minutes when connected over a 100-T ehternet connection. If I do have a big backup to do (gigabytes), it does take several hours and so I have to just leave it on all night.
What I've done so far:
* verify the remote disk's using Synology's smart status check. This takes quite awhile, so I assume there is a drive survace scan or something.
* verify my hard drive (result=green, all clear)
* repair permission on my hard drive
Any other ideas?

Okay, so I basically started over and now everything is okay. Since it worked for a few weeks when I upgraded we will see how it works this time.
The exact details is that I created a new folder and then made the new folder the TM backup directory. This had the advantage of allowing me to not destroy my old TM backup.

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Migrating Time Machine data to Synology NAS

I have a new Synology NAS and want to migrate my existing Time Machine data from a Western Digital external USB drive.
I have set up the Synology shared folder for Time Machine and it appears as an option in Time Machine settings. But I do not want to start over with Time Machine backups and want to reclaim the external drive used for Time Machine today.
Any advice?

I was actually get things up and working towards the end of January. Somebody replied with the link below to one of the forums I posted to. Since I was already using SuperDuper, I had what I needed.
Here's the link I used, making a couple of adjustments for Mavericks.
http://www.unlikelywords.com/2009/01/05 ... e-capsule/
I had not seen this article on my many searches.
I have things now working...finally. Though I'm not using Time Capsule, I'm using Synology, I followed the spirit of the post and was able to figure things out along the way. And it took a short 45 hours to move nearly 1TB of data to the NAS. I now have TM backing up to the NAS which has all of the backups which go back to May 2010.
Good Luck!!

Time machine fails with Synology NAS

Help...
I can't get Time Machine Back-ups to work with my synology NAS.
I can see shared folders in finder.
Have tried with a shared folder on drive in NAS (get error message: cannot create sparsebundle...)
Also tried with USB drive connected to NAS (process get started and get to around 10M backed up and then fails with error message: )
Tried with Mac and NAS on same switch - and got same results.
Appreciate any advice you can offer.

A third-party NAS is unsuitable for use with Time Machine, especially if it's your only backup. I know this isn't the answer you want. I know Time Machine accepts the NAS as a backup destination. I know that the manufacturer says the device will work with Time Machine, and I also know that it usually seems to work. Except when you try to restore, and find that you can't.
Apple has published a specification for network devices that work with Time Machine. None of the third-party NAS vendors, as far as I know, meets that specification. They all use the incomplete, obsolete Netatalk implementation of Apple Filing Protocol.
If you want network backup, use as the destination either an Apple Time Capsule or an external storage device connected to another Mac or to an 802.11ac AirPort base station. Only the 802.11ac base stations support Time Machine, not any older model.
Otherwise, don't use Time Machine at all. There are other ways to back up, though none of them is anywhere near as efficient or as well integrated with OS X. I don't have a specific recommendation.
If you're determined to keep using the NAS with Time Machine, your only recourse for any problems that result is to the manufacturer (which will blame Apple, or you, or anyone but itself.)

Restoring Time Machine backup from Synology NAS

My got a new HD (seagate action) Now the Mac (2010) does not recognize Timemachine backup placed on a synology NAS 213. It is there, i can see it, but while using the startup utility the backup is not listed and can not be chosen to restore.
Does anyone know a solution ?

Hi Peter,
Have you tried Migration Assistant. or is that what the startip thing is?
Have you looked through Pondini's extensive TM help site?
http://Pondini.org/TM/FAQ.html
http://pondini.org/TM/Troubleshooting.html
Can't imaging something not being covered there.

How to move existent Time Machine backups to a NAS?

Hello everybody
I am not sure if I am posting this discussion in the correct community, so please move it to the right one in case you need.
Currently I am using a 1TB external hard drive to store all my time machine backups. This drive also contains other information (movies, photos etc). I bought a Western Digital MyBook World Edition II which is a NAS. I want it to move my Time Machine backups to my NAS. How can I do it? Just copy over the backups folder from the external hard drive to the NAS?
Thank you!
Gilson

That's just crazy slow.
It won't be fast, as the data can't go directly from the old disk to the new one. It must pass through your Mac, so is on the network twice, slowing the effective speed by roughly half. But that's awful.
There could be any number of causes, from bad ports or cables to problems with either drive or controller. I don't have any experience with modern RAID systems, but some of the older ones were extremely slow when there was a problem with one of the drives.
And it may get worse -- if the backups are damaged, the copy will fail and the result won't be useable.
About all I can recommend is the usual: it's always prudent to keep secondary backups. If you don't have any, I'd strongly recommend getting a (plain) external HD and making a "bootable clone" on it ASAP (that will probably slow the copy down somewhat). See Time Machine - Frequently Asked Question #27 for details and some suggestions.
It wouldn't have to be a 2 TB drive, just the same size as your internal HD (or at least 10% larger than the data on it). You might consider getting a portable drive, so you can take it to a secure off-site location once you get your TM backups working to the new WD box. Then update it periodically.

Time Machine problem with Qnap NAS

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Thank you very much!
That solved my problem.
I have seen a lot of posts with the MD0_DATA folder, and I had no such folder.
As my QNAP is 4 disk NAS, I tried your command "rm -r /share/HDA_DATA/.timemachine" in the four first folders in the /share folder: HDA_DATA, HDB_DATA, HDC_DATA and HDD_DATA.
In the third one, it was OK.
And after that, Time Machine could mount again the TMBacup volume and acces it.
Now I'm doing again the Backup!!

Time Machine Slow and Won't Complete under Mavericks

I've upgraded an iMac to Mavericks on the day of release. I noticed Time Machine stopped working. I'm backing up a 500 GB internal drive (about 50% full) and 2 TB usb 2.0 drive (about 75% full) to a 3 TB USB drive - it all worked well before the upgrade.
The initial time machine backup took forever and never completed - the time machine volume kept expanding past the 3GB limit of the drive and then would fail due to no space left on the disk.
I reformatted the drive - same problem. Initial backup size was estimated at about 2.15 TB and ended up failing after 3TB of data was written to the drive.
I then deleted the Time Machine .plists and restarted - same problem.
Then I tried backing up to a 4 TB Synology NAS drive - and it's still going 4 days later but now just continues to add data to a never-completing backup.
I upgraded an mac mini to mavericks and the backup process never changed.
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Thank you very much! I'd say that's what would need to be done. I ended up calling Apple tech support (WORLDS better than Dell tech support I must say) and we weren't able to do anything to the drive, so I ran to the store with my mother and picked out a new external hard drive for her. Guess I'll find out today when I get there how it did last night. I partitioned the drive myself and manually backed up her files on one partition and dedicated the other to time machine back ups.
Thank you so much!

Time Machine Slow & Backs Up Large Amounts of Data - The Fix

This is about Time Machine becoming very slow and taking hours to backup and trying to backup large amouts of data each time.
I spent a month on the phone with 2nd level Tech support and engineering - every other day.
I have 4 computers (one was a clients), all with different backup systems: Time Capsule over CAT 6 Gigabit Ethernet through a Thunderbolt monitor, internal eSata to external 6 TB RAID 5, Wireless to Time Capsule, Firewire 800 to External 2 TB RAID 1 dive.
With the install of 10.8.5 (the itermediate update to 10.9) I immedialety had Time Machine problems on all four computers. As I said, I spent a month talking with Apple. Also during this time I purchased 2 new MacBook Pro 13 Retinas. Installed Norton Internet Security 5 on them and they had the same problem. The new Retina's had 10.9 on them, so this is about 10.8.5 and 10.9.
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Norton Internet Sucrity 5 for Mac is not longer compatible. As my 2nd level tech said: " Engineering told him, engineering needs to call Norton and figure out what they did to their program to cause this."
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Do Not Re-Install Norton.
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Don't forget the first backup will take hours since it is starting over clean and must do a complete backup the first time. After that it works fine.
I'm not going to put Norton back in my computers until I find that Norton has acknowledged this problem, or they come out with Norton Internet Security 6.
I reposted this here because on another post it was on the 20 page.
Hope this helps

Guitarfx wrote:
Time Machine has worked properly for me for several months. However, in the last week or two I have noticed some very strange behavior. Basically, Time Machine wants to backup virtually my entire system every few days or so.
How often do you let TM do backups? If it hasn't backed up for several days, it may indeed be doing a new, full, backup. Apple doesn't document this, but many folks believe it's about 10 days.
Download the +Time Machine Buddy+ widget from: http://www.apple.com/downloads/dashboard/status/timemachinebuddy.html. It shows the messages from your logs for one TM backup run at a time, in a small window.
It first shows the most recent backup. Navigate to one of the large backups, and examine the messages. If you see something there that seems suspicious, copy and post the messages here (be sure to get them all, as sometimes they overflow the small window).
I presume that for whatever reason, Time Machine believes my files are changing and therefore proceeds backing them all up. I can't really think of anything special I have done with my system in the last month which would cause this, but have tried formating my Time Capsule and starting over with a fresh backup--to no avail.
There are some applications that cause large backups, often because they use a single file, often a database, to store their data. Entourage is a common one: every time you send or receive a single message, the whole database is changed, and will be backed-up the next time. Apple mail, of course, stores messages individually to prevent this.
FileVault is similar, in an even bigger way: it converts your entire Home Folder into a single, encrypted disk image. So any change to anything in your Home Folder is treated as a change to the encrypted image. TM minimizes the impact, though, by only backing it up when you log out.
So consider this while examining the results from TimeTracker, as VA2020 recommended.

Time Machine Backup *from* basement (NAS)?

Hello:
I read multiple times that it is currently not possible to backup from a NAS via Time Machine. I have two questions:
1/ Can anyone explain why this is so?
2/ I have my iMac in my living room and would like to put an external hard drive with all my media files on it in the basement, because a) it is noisy and b) for security reasons. There is a network cable going to the basement, but obviously I cannot run a USB cable down there. I have a 2TByte-Time Capsule for backup and WiFi. Does anyone have a suggestion, what to do?
Thanks,
Hal

Thank you for the feedback, William. I am not sure how your suggestion would help with my problem, maybe I did not explain well enough. I do not want another hard drive in my living room, but rather in my basement. If I understand correctly, Time Machine only backups *from* the internal hard drive or external hard drives directly connected via USB, F/W, eSATA etc., but not network drives. Does your suggestion imply that I use a different backup software?

Time Machine Backup on a NAS

Hello,
I've recently started using Time Machine to backup my iMac to my external NAS (WD MyBookLive).
The backup was done correctly, however I want to know why can't I find the backup folders & files when I browse the NAS. Instead, the Time Machine backup appears as a separate "mount" among my Devices.
I know the backup is on the NAS, judging by the free space there, but I want to know why I can't locate and browse the folder & files of the backup there (even though I've enabled the hidden folders).
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Time Machine for multiple macs - NAS or DAS attached to my iMac, which I then share?

Greetings
I currently have three macs - MBA, MBP and an iMac (newest generation). I'd like to use Time Machine for all of them.
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Also, is there any need for something like a Drobo or an external RAID array, if it's mostly for backing up and not for video editing? It would be used as a mnusic server to some degree. I've used a Drobo in the past (2nd gen) and find that I've spent a lot of time troubleshooting and fiddling with it over the years.
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Time Machine slow to open

Although there are lots of threads about Timemachine being slow, my problem is slightly different. Timemachine appears to be backing up ok (though I've temporarily disabled backups now), but if I want to recover a file, it opens so slowly as to be almost useless.
When I click on Timemachine it seems as though there is no response. However, after a minute or two, I get a "Connecting to Timemachine" progress meter in Finder. After much longer, say 5 minutes, I get "Do you still want to connect to Timemachine, Backup Volume is now available".
After a few more minutes I'm in Time Machine, but all the controls (forward back arrows, right side bar etc) are frozen. After a very long time (not sure how long, as I gave up after 15 minutes and came back four hours later), the controls are now working, but oh so slowly. Clicking back through archives takes about 30 seconds to a minute for each movement. However, all the archives seem in place, and when I restore a file, though very slow to start (another minute or so with a progress meter) it actually uploads back to my machine quite quickly.
The Timemachine volume is 500GB and there are 53GB spare (>10%).
Okay - what have I done to fix this?
I've tried repairing the Time Machine volume with Disk Utility. I have three volumes on the one hard drive, Time Machine, a Super Dooper boot backup (I backup my docs in Timemachine and have a bootable backup without documents in Super Dooper) and another partition just spare. The two other volumes can be repaired and verified. When I repair the Time Machine volume I get the following:
"Verify and Repair volume “Time Machine 2”
Volume repair complete.Updating boot support partitions for the volume as required.Error: Couldn’t unmount disk."
And sure enough, if I try manually unmounting the disk, after an interminable wait (>10mins) it fails. Not sure why this matters though? I want it mounted to use it, don't I? However, I infer from this that it's Time machine, not the Hard drive that is the issue, since the other volumes work.
I searched in Console for errrors associated with Timemachine speed problems (backing up). I found I had lots of these errors,
sandboxd: mdworker deny mach-lookup com.apple.ls.boxd
mdworker: Unable to talk to lsboxd
which I removed, as recommended, by doing a safe boot.
However, now in console I have lots of these errrors:
xx/xx/xxx xx:xx AM com.apple.launchd[1]: (com.apple.sleepservicesd[6326]) Exited: Killed: 9
In other discussions this seems to be associated with Screen and computer freezing, but mine is more glaciating than freezing, that is, it's frozen but it still works! Also, it appears to be only Time machine. However, the errors don't appear to correlate with opening or doing anything with Time machine - the errors are around all the time.
Any ideas?

Yes, I agree, the disk, though no longer inaccessible to disk utility repair, still seems to have some problems. It has now been shown to be slow across a range of actons, not just Timemachine. Timemachine has improved slightly in its response when retrieving files. It now takes 3 to 4 minutes to open and make files selectable, rather than the 7 to 10 before, and I'm not getting the progress meter and then "Do you still want to connect to Timemachine, Backup Volume is now available" message before this happens.
We've just bought a MBP, so I now need to get a backup solution for multiple machines, so I'll move to a Timecapsule or some other kind of shared backup.
Thanks again for your assistance.

Getting Time Machine to work with NAS Drives

Connect the drive and format it HFS+
for this example I will name it backup
Set it up as the Time Machine drive once formatted.
Go into system preferences and turn off Time Machine.
Go into FrontView and create a share, for this example I will name it backups, set a quota you want to use I did double my Mac's hard drive
Open terminal
type the following commands
cd /
cd Volumes
ls -a -l (make note of .00 filename)
cp ./backup/.00filename ./backups/.00filename
cp ./backup/.com.apple.timemachine.supported ./backups/.com.apple.timemachine.supported
sudo umount backup
sudo umount backups
then go back into Frontview and rename backups volume to backup
connect to ReadyNAS through finder afp://IPADDRESS
choose backup volume to connect to
Relaunch TimeMachine...
BAM!
From a link on xlr8yourmac.com
William

Eric S wrote:
Can anyone comment on whether this works reliably? I mean, it looks like Apple doesn't officially support it (given the complexity of the setup).
Eric
Previous posts from some users who have tried this found some problems (others have not). The conclusion stated by experienced users was that Apple pulled the NAS support at the last minute (also the Airport extreme limitation) due to less than reliable operation. Everyone seems to be waiting for Apple to solve the problem and issue

How do I get Time Machine to "see" my NAS device?

I recently set up a Drobo 5N for NAS. It works fine with my iMac. That is, Time Machine on the desktop immediately found the storage device and appears to be backing up to it. However, Time Machine on my Macbook Pros on my home network do not see the device at all. They do show the Airport Extreme (the Drobo is attached to Airport Extreme via Ethernet). The Firewall on the Macbook Pro has been turned off. All other networking functions seem to work fine. All the computers in question are running Mountain Lion. Anyone have any idea how to fix this? Thanks.

Backing up to a third-party NAS with Time Machine, if it works at all, is risky, and unacceptably risky if it's your only backup. This is an example of what can happen.
If you want network backup with Time Machine, use as the destination either an Apple Time Capsule or an external hard drive connected to another Mac or a mini-tower (802.11ac) AirPort base station. Only the 802.11ac base station supports Time Machine, not any previous model.

Time machine slow

Though the upgrade is very nice, the time machine backup seems extremely slow. It has been running now for over 48 hours and only 66/86 GB has been backed up. I am wondering if this might be a function of the wire (from the hard drive to the MacBook Pro) I am using: I am using the USB 2.0 port instead of the firewire 800 port. Might that have made a difference? And, I usually bring my laptop from work to home--its been sitting at work until the backup is finished. Would all be for naught if I disconnected to bring the computer home and then reconnected once I returned to work?

To add to the Slow Time Machine discussion:
I have a dual quad-core and three internal 750GB drives. I'm using the second drive as my Time Machine drive.
It took several hours to do the initial backup (as I expected) and it was about 93GB. I installed Leopard this past Thursday. I'm EST and it is just after 10am EST, but looking in Time Machine, these are what Time Machine shows as being available to me:
Today (now)
Today at 6:00 AM
Today at 12:11 AM
Yesterday at 8:07 PM
Yesterday at 3:18 PM
Yesterday at 9:35 AM
So much for hourly backups. And I know it isn't just that there were no changes made because the current Time Machine backup has been running since 7:35am (about 2-1/2 hours so far). Hard to do hourly backups when each backup takes about 5 hours. I'd hate to see this thing when I'm actually here and doing stuff.
What's the deal with it being so slow? I wasn't doing anything over the weekend (it is my work desktop) and I'm using an Apple-shipped internal 750GB hard drive.
"backupd" cpu usage varies, as expected, but Finder is using between 25% and 80% cpu at any given time. And I'm not doing anything except running iostat in a terminal window. (I'm typing this on a 10.4.10 MBP.)
I did "sudo ls -R <diskname> | wc -l" on my main OSX disk in the most recent completed Time Machine backup directory and it counted 1845424 lines. I have a particular gmail account being IMAP accessed via mail.app (fedora mailing list) and, since that is all I use that gmail account for, all of the email is in one label which corresponds to one folder at the IMAP layer. There's a pretty good amount of traffic on that list and currently I have just under 100,000 emails in that folder. Because there are new emails (and thus new files) in that IMAP folder on my Mac, TM must hard-link each individual pre-existing email file plus add the new ones. So, each time TM runs, it must hard-link almost 100 thousand files in that one directory alone.
It doesn't seem that TM is meant to handle high loads or high volumes of data like this, at least on the current HFS+. It is possible that the ZFS would handle it better but that's currently not an option.
Some may respond that I either shouldn't connect my mail.app to a gmail account set up as such, or that I shouldn't expect TM to handle something like this. But this is exactly the kind of setup that TM should be able to handle.
In the meantime, it looks like TM is going to be slow. (oh, look; it is about 10:38am and TM is now saying "finishing backup" after running for 3 hours. and I "quit" mail.app to give it a break.)

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