Time Machine under Lion appears to ignore Paragon NTFS external drives

Have Macbook pro with 2 external drives, one HFS+ formatted as my Time Machine drive, and another NTFS drive with the bulk of my user data (photos and audio files).
To improve NTFS read performance and enable writing, I have been using Paragon NTFS for about 2 months very successfully.
Time machine was also working to backup the NTFS drive under Snow Leopard, with no issues.
However, just moved to Lion, and one of the items I noticed is that the NTFS drive (with all my "valuable" data) is now being ignored by Time Machine. If I enter the time machine Preferences...Options... the NTFS volume is listed in the items excluded from backup. I can remove it from the list, and click save, yet if I return back to Options the drive has re-appeared in the excluded items list.
Is this a bug or intentional? This is a huge drawback, as I really didn't want to migrate everything off this huge drive just to re-format it because of this.

Had similar problem. Upgraded to Lion, couldnt read any NTFS drives! Turns out old NTFS drivers from Paragon dont work in Lion, so had to buy new one. That also didnt work. Eventually followed discussion thread on Paragon support, deleted (manually) the offending drivers (UFS/NTFS) from Library, uninstalled Paragon.
Could now see NTFS drives R/O.
Reinstalled Paragon driver, now cant see drives in Finder but can in Disk Utility. Did a 'repair' on drives in Disk Utility and hey presto! it's all back where it should be.
Now my time machine has stopped working, don't know if they're related.

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I have a MacBook upgraded from Tiger 10.4 to *Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.1.* I'm now using *Time Machine* to make back-ups on a *MiniMax external drive* through an USB connection. However, I wish to make wireless back-ups by connecting the external drive to my *Airport Extreme*. I learned that this wasn't possible until the recent release by Apple of the software update "*About Time Machine and AirPort Updates v1.0*". The minimum system requirement for this software update is OS X 10.5.2. I should think this requirement is met because I have upgraded to 10.6.1. But when I try to install the software I get the message that the system requirement is at least 10.5.2. and as a result *I can't continue installing*. Apparently my OS update is not recognized by the software. Is there a solution for this problem? Many thanks.

GJinAmsterdam wrote:
I have a MacBook upgraded from Tiger 10.4 to *Snow Leopard OS X 10.6.1.* I'm now using *Time Machine* to make back-ups on a *MiniMax external drive* through an USB connection. However, I wish to make wireless back-ups by connecting the external drive to my *Airport Extreme*. I learned that this wasn't possible until the recent release by Apple of the software update "*About Time Machine and AirPort Updates v1.0*".
this has been possible for a long time, since about February 2008 when those updates came out.
The minimum system requirement for this software update is OS X 10.5.2. I should think this requirement is met because I have upgraded to 10.6.1. But when I try to install the software I get the message that the system requirement is at least 10.5.2. and as a result *I can't continue installing*. Apparently my OS update is not recognized by the software. Is there a solution for this problem? Many thanks.
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