Time Maschine has a strange influence on mail.app

Hello there,
I have an annoying problem.
Mounted a new disk and began using Time Machine (TM). Everything actually looks fine. Except from when I want to run TM with mail.app. I think TM should work with mail.app, right?
Well here is the problem in pictures
I begins here. Mail.app open:
http://usenet.ducktrucks.dk/screenshots/mail_open.png
Now I click TM in the dock to see previous versions of the mailbox.
TM does not open, but the dock dissappears and I cannot minimize mail.app (The yellow minimize dot dissapears). Looks like the when TM is just pressed:
http://usenet.ducktrucks.dk/screenshots/press_tm.png
If I now click anywhere on the desk the dock will come back.
I need to say that I use IMAP in mail.app. I have set mail.app to have local copies of all mail. I think this should work, otherwise there would be problems running .mac (IMAP).
I have tried erasing the disk and also did delete the TimeMachine plist file in preferences and started all over. No luck.
Hope anybody has a clue?
Thank you in advance.
Palle Jensen

GOT it too work! Thanks to Matt at AppleCare support we fixed this issue.
In My case I had to issues causing this matter.
First My Macs hostname had " ' " (apostrophies in it). Weird characters in the hostname can cuase Time machine issues. I made my hostname to 'imac' and this fixed my issue.
Also I had to remove the httpmail plugin as this was causing issues. Some along the lines of time machine looking at the mailbox files.
But its all working now!

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> Don't see that one on my screen
so I assumed you'd uploaded it.
Well, it’s definitely there. Don’t know why you don’t
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