Time remaping graph workaround.

IN FCP6.0.6 the manual states that when using variable speed time remaping that the motion graph displayed under a clip in the timeline uses the Y axis to show the number of frames your clip has regardless of the in and out markers in the clip.
What this means in practice is if you have a 10 minute piece of video and only use say 10 seconds on the timeline the Y axis represent all 10 minutes of the frames so when trying to adjust the speed the graph only uses a few pixels to represent the 10 second clip and so makes it very hard to adjust.
Is there any way around this?

Thanks Tom, making a reference video worked but subclip had the same problem!
Looks like an option needs to be added to the variable speed feature to only sample from the in and out points.
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Hello All,
My first post here! I tried searches for this topic but didn't find....
I wasted hours today messing with the keyframe editor to try and ramp parts of a single clip... first time using this feature and couldn't follow the manual! way too difficult to grasp without fluency in 'techygeekconfusic' lingo. Anyway, I don't think the topic was covered from what I read in my version of the manual.
So I went straight for the keyframe editor graphic display under the clip in timeframe and put in a few points with the pen tool (using time graph blue line) and seemed to be going great until I realised that the segments in the single clip (ten minutes long) that I was adjusting were affecting what came after - ie slowing down the remainder of the clip. And that was all I could get from my manual that this happened without any explanation about stopping it happen by letting the outpoint of the clip readjust automatically for the changes made to that part of clip so that altered clip would be shorter in timeline...
I then tried again from the start but noting the minus time on pentool arrow when I slid each keyframe point back and subtracting it from the duration in motion tab and that seemed to work for a while...
but God bless my little brain! what I really wanted to happen - for the blasted thing to readjust itself automatically after I had adjusted a segment of the clip so that the remaining non-adjusted part would play in realtime with a new shorter outpoint in the sequence timeline - just couldn't be realised in my little brain or in the 'user friendly' control panels of FCP.
I tried to get hold of the 'bezier' point at the end of clip and drag forward at the same rate as each change but could'nt get hold of it! I tried to put two points with pen tool at same time but couldn't isolate them from one another to create four points for adjustment without having still frames between.. blah blah.. I tried to get snapping to the pen tool points for further control but couldn't... duh!
Please! how do you do it! obviously I have limited intelligence but I need to do this now. I want to adjust the 10 minute clip (DVCproHD 720p24N format - not that this should matter as my sequence settings are same) adjust the clip at maybe 10 different places so that it ramps in speed to cover up some boring areas and then back to normal speed after the changes - not back to some slo mo **! speed.
I tried cutting with the razor tool to isolate and that didn't work either and other analogue brain type stuff ok I know you are laughing at me now but please help?!! I'm pretty new to this stuff, give me the old reliable Steenbeck and a few real bins and strips of film hanging on clothes pegs and I'll be ok...
Help will be most gratefully appreciated!!!!!!!!
Barra
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Andy did a very good job explaining the underlying problem with the time remap tool.
The key thing to remember is the first and last frame are fixed in time. If you speed up the clip, time after that keyframe will have to slow down to compensate. Imagine the clip is a rubber band that has been cut so that it is a long string-like form. Now imagine anchoring each end of it with a push pin to a board. If you grab a point on the band and pull it toward one of the pins, the part of the band on the side you are pulling away from the anchor will stretch (run slower) and the side you are pulling toward will bunch up (run faster). But, when all is done, the start and end will still be at the fixed points.
The way I've worked through this is to make a general guesstimate of how long the clip will be once all the ramping is complete. For example, I want the clip to start at normal (100%) speed and ramp up to 300% and back down to 100%. I might start with a clip having a constant speed of 200% and then change it to variable and play with it. The key concept is if you can get the overall LENGTH to where it should be, the rest works out fine.
I have repeatedly asked in the FEEDBACK/New Features page that they add a toggle to the speed/time remap tools. This toggle should allow you decide whether the playback TIME for the clip should be fixed or flexible.
For example, if you were working with a 4 second clip and wish to slow it down by 50% -
If 'Maintain Time' is toggled ON, when you decrease the speed of clip by 50% - the clip will still play for 4 sec (but will show only half the total frames).
If the toggle is OFF, the 4 sec clip will now play for 8 sec and will display all the frames.
Where this concept becomes really powerful is when it's applied to time remap. If you have 'Maintain time' toggled OFF, as you adjust speed, the end point of the clip will float in time. If you increase the speed, the overall time of the clip will shrink. If you slow it down, the end point moves out in time.
We need to keep asking ...
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Time Remapping - Need help

I've been playing with this for a while and I just can't figure it out. In the AE Help it shows keyframes being moved up and down with nice straight lines maintained between them, but when I do it I get bezier handles that produce crazy curves which I can't resolve. Tried doing it in the Layer window and can't figure out what I'm doing. I may just not understand this as a concept.
I have a 6 second animation that I need to incorporate into a composition. The actual animation stops at 4 seconds, holding on the last frame for 2 seconds. I want to alter the timing so the animation completes at 2 seconds and then holds the frame for 8 seconds. In other words, I want the first 4 seconds compressed into two seconds, then the last 2 seconds stretched to 8 seconds, for a total of 10. It sounds easy, but I can't seem to get my head around it! Can anyone give me some insight into time remapping that will let me do this?

I don't really see you problem. In order to change the timing, you change the keyframe value, not its tangents. so you change the keyframe's value from 6 to 2, nothing more. The curves merely express the rate of change inbetween keyframes. To reset to linear interpolation, simply select the keys and hit teh respective icon at the bottom of the graph editor.
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CS5 time remapping issues

I have two problems with Premiere CS5 time remapping causing errors
When I apply a normal speed change using the duration box from the pull down menu, the speed does change and the clip plays fine.
When I apply the time remapping feature from the timeline, the clip either plays at the normal 100%speed and ignores the keyframes or it plays an altogehter different clip.
I am editing HD footage 1920x1080 from a Sony Z1u captured via blackmagic intesity as motion jpeg.
If I change the duration of the clip to 101% the keyframes are applied but the video is choppy and impossible to watch.
The problem is unique to CS5 as far as I can tell, I used CS3 before with the same setup and that function was fine, but I have some avchd footage in this project and so I switched to cs5.
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Thanks for your post Harm. It is good to see that you still troll the forums. You have helped me several times in the past.
Using the blackmagic card solves a couple of problems. ( in theory)
First it gives you a true 1920x1080 video capture instead of of the hdv space.
Secondly the mjpg functions as an intermediate so that the processor does not have to decompress the footage from hdv on the fly, and it takes up less HD space than 8bit uncompressed would.
In addition the BM card allows for HD monitoring on an external HD TV and surround sound system for 5.1 audio.
I have discovered a workaround for the time issue, and that is to apply an affect to the clip and it forces premiere to render the clip and that seems to fix the time issue.
The black magic website probably explains this better than I can. But under CS3 which I moved from a few months ago, the combination really worked well.

Audio only time remapping

Is there a way in either FCP 6.0.2 or Soundtrack Pro to do a time remap on an aiff audio file? I would like to take a piece of music and do a time remap on it to make it sound as if it was starting from zero speed and increasing to normal much like an LP might sound if the turntable was turned on and came up to 33rpm. I don't figure it would be more than a second, or a second-and-a-half of remapping.
Thank you in advance for your help!

I think After Effects is easy to use, but I've been using it for over ten years.
You add the AIFF file to the project, then add it to a comp (that's very similar in process to editing a clip into a sequence in FCP).
Then select the layer in the timeline and choose Enable Time Remapping from the layer -> time submenu (I'm guessing). The keyboard shortcut I believe is Command-Option-T. Anyway, you'll figure that out quickly enough.
Then it is just a matter of playing with keyframes and the way the keyframes Ease. Right-click on a keyframe and choose Ease In. You can also view a graph of the time remap parameter and then have a way to visualize the remapping graph.
This may all be a foreign language, but After Effects is a tool you should know anyway, like Photoshop.

Any way to STOP Time Remap from rippling clips?

Hi Guys,
I'm editing a music clip right now that requires a fair bit of slow-mo and fast-mo and I am using Final Cut's very capable time remapping tool to acheive this. Please bear in mind that I am using the "Constant Speed" option.
One thing that really spoils my day is the way re-mapped clips ripple through the rest of the sequence, moving all the rest of my clips up or down. As you can imagine, I've got everything going to the beat and when I remap a clip it screws up my timing.
Is there any way to prevent this from happening?
All the best
Iain

One thing that really spoils my day is the way re-mapped clips ripple through the rest of the sequence, moving all the rest of my clips up or down. < </div>
I've been kvetching about this silly design decision for years. This is the only extend-length-of-clip function FCP treats as an insert. It's lame. Or, if it's not lame, at least the operation should be user-switchable.
Time changes are handled much more efficiently in every other NLE. The workarounds described here are all kluges and require many additional steps. But the workarounds work and you get used to them. My method is to have a special sequence open dedicated to only time remapping and speed changes. Bouncing in and out of the TIMING sequence ain't that tough but it sure bugs me.
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CS6. Need to have time remapping and warp stabilizer work together.

This should be obvious for most people. These two effects must be made to work together.
If you're shooting with a glider you're usually moving very carefully (read: slower than normal) so the footage in post would need to be sped up plus stabilized a bit.
Currently warp stabilizer and time remapping cannot be applied at the same time. But I *need* it to be applied at the same time. I need a workaround.
Should I:
1. shorten the clips, export them, re-import them into the project, and then apply stabilizer?
2. apply the stabilizer, export them, re-import them into the project, and then shorten them?
How do I export individual clips as just seperate clips while Premiere? Do I have to drag them into an empty timeline one by one, apply the stabilizer/remapping, and export, remove the clip, put in the second clip, etc all one by one?
I've used Mercalli in the past and I time remap the footage and then apply Mercalli to the accelerated clip. Mercalli doesn't mind a bit.

ComputerNovice25 wrote:
Adobe might have written the code in a way that doesn't include the ability to deal with that extra variable. I'm assuming that when it's nested it then makes the timeline it's in just read it as a normal clip again instead of a clip with a non-supported variable included.
Although I'm totally just guessing, but if what I'm saying is correct it would mean a fix wouldn't be very much work at all. Which means in the future they could simply provide a quick and easy patch to fix this. I'd highly suggest to make a feature request.
https://www.adobe.com/cfusion/mmform/index.cfm?name=wishform
Does Adobe read these feature requests? I often have a hard time justifying spending time to type out something when I feel like it's just being thrown into a black hole. I'm sure the team gets thousands of feature requests. It's like the lottery. Statistically you will never win. Sure, you'll never win if you don't play, but it's still a waste of time to play. I know, I'm pessimistic. Just don't have much faith in conglomerates - although Lightroom 3 is by far the most perfect program I have ever used and I would kiss the LR3 team if I could.
With Lightroom, Photoshop is hardly needed anymore unless absolutely necessary or for truly intensive chop-like edits. Premiere DESPERATELY needs a Lightroom equivalent.
I have half a mind to guess (nicely) that you video guys have absolutely no idea what you're missing out on, workflow-wise. It's life-changing. Literally.
I'm doing a video right now and I can't stop thinking about how if I had a Lightroom workflow, this video consisting of 40 clips, 40 titles, 40 transitions, audio tracks could be on the way to final export in 5 minutes. 5 MINUTES. And be 100% as good as if I had to spend an hour doing this in traditional Premiere.

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For more info, look up Bezier in the user's manual, or better yet, go to Amazon.com and buy Kevin Monahan's book; "Motion Graphics and Effects in Final Cut Pro."
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Expression help with time remapping

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I have a 25fps Precomp with an animation that changes on every frame.
In the master comp I want to apply an expression to its time remap property so that it holds on each consecutive frame for a given duration, eg on Frame 1-15 we see frame 1 of precomp, on frame 16-30 we see frame 2, and so on. I can't figure this out. Tried posterizeTime and some other bits to no avail and can't find it elsewhere on the web.
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But how could I target this to a time remap layer comp to a time remap layer in a completely different comp.?
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If you look at the attached file, how do I make the changes that you describes. Maybe you could make the changes in the vi and post it to me?
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