Time remapping question

I'm still using FCP 4.5 (yeah, I know....Upgrade)
Here's my question. I have a clip of a dog running towards the camera. It's around eight seconds long. The dog is jumping around it's owner (excitedly) for the first couple of seconds and then takes off towards the camera. At the point that the dog takes off, I want to slow the frame rate down rather quickly, but not abruptly. I'm thinking that my speed change would be from 100% to 25% in about two seconds. My desire then is to run the video through the rest of duration at 25% speed at whatever duration the adjusted/extended time would be. In essence, I'm making a relatively constant speed change with just a small variable speed change in a certain part of the clip.
I can't seem to get FCP to extend my duration. When ever I make changes in the time remapping section of the motion tab (in viewer) it seems to "chop" off the remaining video based on my speed changes.
I've tried slicing the clips and remapping them independently, but it's too difficult and I'm sure there is an easier way.
I'll diagram it out if I can...
Start----2 sec (spd. 100% to 25% in two sec.) --4 secs (spd chg, done)-------run to completion what ever length is ----->
Anyone know how to do what I'm talking about?

K,
Hmm, I tired to export/import and it doesn't seem to work based on what I'm trying to do. What's happening is that FCP is "cutting off" the remaining part of the clip if it's slowed down in the time remap portion of the "motion" tab for the clip that I'm using.
I'll refer to the time line and the speed indicators in clip. For instance the clip is 8 seconds long raw (from footage). I want to start my slow down beginning at 2 seconds with a 2 second speed transition from 100% to 25%. At 4 seconds the speed change should be completed. So far so good....But this is where I have problems. In essence, If I were using the time remap tool on the timeline then what I want is to stretch from 4 seconds to the end (25% speed) and keep everything before that at 100% (untouched). So ...allow the rest of the clip (now longer because of the slo-mo) to run to the end of my intended OUT point which now would play at 25 percent of the remaining 4 seconds. Placing the smooth handles in when the speed change is satisfactory. Unfortunately FCP cuts the clip and I only get around 3 seconds because it's confining the entire thing down to the original 8 seconds. It would not allow me to extend the "cut" portion unless I lengthened the entire clip. That won't work because the entire clip ends up slowed down to an unknown amount.
What I'm looking for is to get FCP to either extend the time remapped portion based on my changes or allow me to manually extend the "chopped" off portion to the end without having to do a lot of messy calculations as to what the total would be based on the speed changes.
I guess it goes with out saying that I'm still learning....
Thanks again,
D

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Andy did a very good job explaining the underlying problem with the time remap tool.
The key thing to remember is the first and last frame are fixed in time. If you speed up the clip, time after that keyframe will have to slow down to compensate. Imagine the clip is a rubber band that has been cut so that it is a long string-like form. Now imagine anchoring each end of it with a push pin to a board. If you grab a point on the band and pull it toward one of the pins, the part of the band on the side you are pulling away from the anchor will stretch (run slower) and the side you are pulling toward will bunch up (run faster). But, when all is done, the start and end will still be at the fixed points.
The way I've worked through this is to make a general guesstimate of how long the clip will be once all the ramping is complete. For example, I want the clip to start at normal (100%) speed and ramp up to 300% and back down to 100%. I might start with a clip having a constant speed of 200% and then change it to variable and play with it. The key concept is if you can get the overall LENGTH to where it should be, the rest works out fine.
I have repeatedly asked in the FEEDBACK/New Features page that they add a toggle to the speed/time remap tools. This toggle should allow you decide whether the playback TIME for the clip should be fixed or flexible.
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I must be looking in all the wrong places but I can not seem to get keyframes working, for effects such as time remapping is there a tutorial for timeremapping I can not get it to work I am so confused.

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Since i'm new commer from APPro i wonder if it's possible to move the out point of the clip when u make time remap? In APPro (Premiere) it's possible to widen the clip up to the phisical OUT point of the captured footage. In FCP i can't do that

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> My question is that the ram preview below is relatively smooth, but when I exported a PR4444 sequence to FCP, once in the timeline it's jerky and stutters. (Forgive the sloppy mask, it's now fixed). The stutters and jerks also appear when playing the 4444 clip back in QT10, and Vimeo.<
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> Yes I'm aware of the timeline issues, and had hoped that once exported/rendered out of fcp that it would go away. The above link was a Vimeo compressed RAM preview out of AE And that plays smoothly!. Not out of fcp however. <
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