Time Stretch problem: output playback is jittery/stutters

I have a short clip within a larger project that I copied behind the original on the timeline so that I have the scene play at the normal speed, then in slow motion. The output of the stretched clip stutters or jitters (unsure of the proper terminology). This stuttering or jitters gets progressively worse with ever slower speeds. I would immediately blame the equipment if I weren't using an Intel i7 system with 3 MBs of RAM & 10k RPM drives although my video card may be considered pedestrian by some. I am using the software "straight out of the box" and have not made any changes in preferences yet.

Well, I'm hoping that, although your equipment is "straight out of the box", you've gone to Windows Updates for all of the necessary updates, downloaded new drivers from your hardware providers (particularly you video card's) and installed the latest Quicktime. Even fresh out of the box equipment is sometimes four to six months out of date.
But, that said, there are a couple of things you can do about your playback, depending on what you're seeing when.
1) If you're just playing it in Premiere Elements, your time stretched clip may need rendering. (Is there a red line above it on the timeline?) Press Enter so that it can render (the red line will turn green). This will give you a better idea of what your final output will look like.
2) If that doesn't help then, depending on how much you slowed the clip, it may help to apply Frame Blend from the right-click menu to smooth the play out.
If neither helps, it may be related to your source files. Because of the temporal compression system that MPEGs use, they don't do slow-mo nearly as well as DV-AVIs.

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    A little research and downloading a trial from this site would have solved your video problems early on;
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    Esfand

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