Time Warner Ubee U10C018 modem and Airport Extreme

Using the equipment stated in the subject. I connect the modem to the extreme, after a few moments I get a green light, neither my iMac nor PC laptop can connect to the internet. The ip addresses that are assigned begin with 169. even though I have the extreme setup to assign the adresses 10.0.0.199 and .200 accordingly. I've never had a problem using the extreme in the other three places I've setup this network. Normally just plug into the modem and you're good to go. I've tried researching any known problems with this particular modem and have turned up nothing useful. Just curious as to where I start to look next.

My previous response was faulty... Only one computer was getting an IP address..
Here's what really worked, with 2 macbooks and a pc connecting wirelessly to the Airport Extreme, all successfully connecting to the Internet:
1. Disconnect the ethernet cable and power off your modem (Ubee)
2. Open Airport Utility, select your router (Airport Extreme), and press 'Manual Setup'
3. Go to the 'Internet' tab, then under Internet Connection, make sure 'Connection Sharing' is set to "*Share a public IP address*"
4. Under TCP/IP, Configure IPv4 should be set to 'Using DHCP'. All other settings can remain the default. Press Update.
5. Power up your modem, wait for the Ready and Sync lights to go steady, then connect the ethernet cable from the modem to the router.
Apparently, Time Warner only assigns one IP address per device (in the case the router), it's up to the router to distribute IP addresses to its constituents. I wonder why this doesn't happen automatically... :\ Let me know how your experience pans out.
Peace
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