Timecode captured is out of sync

I have just been working on a project that I have been offlining on FCP HD with footage shot on Digibeta capturing on a Targa Cinewave4.6 RT.
I exported an EDL for an online- when we took the footage to online the timecode was out of sync- slipping between 1 frame and 19 frames out.
When i checked my rushes tapes with the EDL it seems that the timecode on my FCP and the tapes don't match, and somehow the TC had drifted. The only change to my system is a different deck- I normally capture from BSP UVW 1800- or via firewire from DSR11 DV deck- i have captured from Digibeta with no problems, but not from a DVW M2000P deck- could this be the source of my problems? Any other ideas as i'm worried this is aproblem that could keep coming back.
Dual 1.25 Ghz Pwer PC G4 Mac OS X (10.3.5) FCP HD (4.5) with Cinewave 4.6 RT capture card

sorry jim i don't follow- so some more info may help- i am still using the same 9 pin i plug into my UVW 1800- there isn't a uniform offset it seems to be drifting randomly from between 1 frame and 19 frames.
Just to clarify all of this is shot at 25fps PAL.
I know an Avid system will recognize a new deck when its plugged in- is this something i should be changing manually- as i don't understand where or what i change in the device control panel with a new deck?
I also set my Capture Preset as TARGA Cine PAL YUV (to DV)- Unbalanced Audio Pro analog- i compress to DV as i often work on mixed format material- and its never been a problem before?
If this helps here are my Device control presets:
Use this preset when controlling a device at a frame rate of 25 fps via a Stealth Serial Adapter.
Protocol: Sony RS-422
Time Source: LTC
Port: serial
Audio Device Control mapping (Ch1-8): 2 Channels
Frame Rate: 25
Do not use deck search mechansism
Pre-roll: 3 seconds
Post-roll: 3 seconds
Capture Offset: 0.000 frames
Handle Size: 00:00:00:00
Playback Offset: 00:00:00:00
I really appreciate any help on this one as it could obviously be a long, time consuming and expensive problem.
Dual 1.25 Ghz Pwer PC G4 Mac OS X (10.3.5)

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