Timed Acess and an Extended Network

Hello,
My set up is a Netgear modem connected to DSL then into my airport extreme to provide the wireless network with the express to extend the network.
I am trying to used timed access control and limit network use on my network. I have set up the timed access via mac address as per the instructions and all works great if i don't extend the network as i am directly (via wireless) connected to the Extreme base station and the access control works.
Now when i extend the network via the express, clients connect to this but it removes the access control as i have not limited the express's access as i need it to serve different clients. How do I have the express base station inherit the extreme base stations access controls so it limits access in the same way? I don't want to limit the access of the express as different access clients need to access this extended network at the same time.
Thanks

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Well,
I succeeded in making it work. Yes it can work!!
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I have a Time Capsule where I have set up a wireless network access list…and extended the network using an Airport Express unit. The Airport Express unit also has settings for an Access Control list. Do these need to be the same as the those for the network from TC that it is extending…or does that happen automatically…and if not what on earth are they for?
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I have a Time Capsule where I have set up a wireless network access list…and extended the network using an Airport Express unit. The Airport Express unit also has settings for an Access Control list. Do these need to be the same as the those for the network from TC that it is extending…or does that happen automatically…and if not what on earth are they for?
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However since you are creating a network on AE2 which is extended by AEx2 then you can indeed use a different name.. but it must be both,, AE2 and AEx2.
2. Even more crazy - if I did (could) give the AEx 2 a different network name, could I use my AE 2 as a wireless extension to that second network? Or is this just getting out of hand now?
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