Title/Action Safe Zones

Hello,
I have started a home 1080p project. Almost all my source files are shot that I need 100% of view. I plan to have my finalized movie in different formats 1080p as well as DVD and to be viewed on iOS devices.
My questions:
1) is frames' content that is beyond Safe Zones will be visible on DVD/TV or/and exported movie file.
2) if I resize all the frames to fit largest safe zone's frame, will I get black (unused space) visible in final movie?
Thank you.

Thank you Tom,
this project was shot using Canon's EOS 5D Mark II and all my background is photographic. These safe areas is something I need to consider in the future and learn somehow how much it is in viewfinder as there are no such marks in my camera.
Will see how it works when I have the project finalized.

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1.) Why is it that a title needs to be within the inner square, otherwise it may not display on a TV, though action can still take place in the outer square outside the title safe zone and it is still fine?
2.) Do these zones apply to CRT televisions, LCD, Plasmas, and video intended for being displayed through a projector the same way?
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1. Safe area and safe title were developed many years ago, back when folks had TV sets with rounded corners. There was a real risk that a title would not be displayed in full if it went outside the boundary.
Pictures are interpretated differently to text. If say, someones left shoulder and arm are out of picture, it is obvious what is missing. An incomplete title can easily be misunderstood or not understood at all.
2. Unless you have absolute control over the device which will be displaying your movie, apply the rules to everything.

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(sorry in advance for my english, I'm a french canadian)
I built a complete DVD without realizing that I should consider the "Safe Areas" (see my first post : "Formatting in 4:3 but image is still stretched on a 4:3 TV. What the... ?"), so now I'm stuck with a 12 hours project that show only some part on TV.
Something strange too is that I first thought what was shown corresponded to the "Action Safe Area", but I just realized that both sides are cut like the "Title Safe Area" and top/bottom are cut like the "Action Safe Area". It's not one or the other, it's a mix of both. What causes that ?
What I need to know now is if there is a way to compress all the DVD or make everything to fit quickly in the viewable area so I will not have to fit everything one by one.
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P.S.
The 4:3 simulation mode should specifiate the overscanning process in the application when we use it, so it would solve a lot of problem in the first place.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?messageID=9695813#9695813
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I very much doubt anyone has a TV that only displays title safe area and nothing outside of it... the Title Safe area is a percentage reduction from the outer edge of the image. If a TV is showing in the 4:3 aspect ratio, any image will be sized appropriately to fit, and the title safe will be proportional... 10% in from the outer edge.
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Hello - I put together a movie for a family that included words. I made sure all the words are inside the Safe Zone, however she said when she watches it on her 42" flat screen the words are cut off. I have never heard of this before. Any ideas? Thank you!

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When you turn on the title safe markers, you get two green boxes. The smaller box is the title safe limit (no graphics are to extend outside of that box) and the larger box is the action safe limit (no critical action is to occur outside of that box - like the barrell of gun must extend from the edge of frame and into the action safe box to be seen on most conventional CRT monitors).
!http://www.spotsbeforeyoureyes.com/TVSafe.jpg!
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*Welcome to the world of chasing the client's monitor.* I have a 42" Panasonic monitor hooked up to Blu - Ray and DVD players, and the choices of aspect ratio presentation, and scan/overscan size are nothing short of amazing. I can set +the player+ to output certain aspects ratios and scan/overscan sizes, I can set +the Monitor+ to play certain aspect ratios and scan/overscan sizes.
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1) Knowing that your graphics fall within SMPTE TV safe guidelines, stress that certainty to the client, stressing that they need to adjust their monitor/player accordingly.
2) Go to the client's location of the playback and adjust the equipment correctly yourself.
Solution #1 will make the client suspicious of you at best, and think you are lying and incompetent at worst, since everything (to them) looked great before seeing your material. It really only works if you can get them to come to you and see it playing back correctly on your system, and . . .
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Video no longer matches Safe Zones

Hello I am running Encore 2.
My clips are uncompressed QT @720x486.
When I put them in Encore, the video is larger, almost as if Action Safe became the border of the footage. However, if I recompressed the footage to 720x480, the footage betters matches the original size. However, the files also seem to be dropping the fields since the footage looks so soft and without detail.
I have tried different transcoding settings including auto, my own as well as the presets. The disc burn and play but at the wrong size and bad quality.
One more oddity, all the files were exported from an Avid Symphoney with lower fieled. However, only one file, the main large one had to be switched to upper. I guess enocre just decided to switch?
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Thanks for the reply! You did answer some questions. I feel so stupid about the cropping I am doing, of course, I just didn't think it through.
However, why does Enocre then take 720x486 as a resolution and what is it technically doing to that footge? It says it can bring it in which tells me that it would automatically correct the 486 issue correctly. Either way I will resample the footage at 480.
This rise other problems though. Why did only one need to be reversed? The other footage played, but was soft. Maybe it was dropping the other fieled? The settings are unclear of what it thinks came in verses what is going out.
As far as the safe zones, I am comparing the different settings within Encore. If the footage is 480, then it closer to bing correct, but if it is 486, it zooms in about 10%.
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